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One of her favorite stories about the GNOME logo is when she heard from a
contributor about a company that had modified the logo and was using it on
their mobile pedicure-by-fish (having small fish eat dead skin from the
feet) van. The main part of the footprint was replaced by a fish (seen at
right with the GNOME logo from Sandler's slides
[PDF]) The logo itself has a free copyright license, so it is not a
copyright violation to use it, and it is clearly outside of the software
world. It
is exactly the kind of use that should be (and was) allowed. No one will
be confused that GNOME has suddenly veered off into the fish-pedicure world.
Companies often say that they are "forced" to defend their trademark. She
heard it frequently at the SFLC, but now that she is with the GNOME
Foundation, she can see the problem. The law itself is fairly simple, with
simple concepts, but there are some requirements to uphold. Most problems
are handled fairly easily; she asks someone to stop using the mark in an
inappropriate way and they do.
Another interesting situation arose from a combination of the Debian and
GNOME logos (seen at right). It is a "really cool" logo, she said, but is
a violation of the GNOME trademark policy. The problem is that it's
difficult for those who are unfamiliar with the communities to parse out
what it means. If you doknow the communities, it's completely
clear what it means, but that's not the problem. There is also a question
as to whether it reduces the brand for both Debian and GNOME by combining
things that way. So far, that situation has not been resolved, she said.
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Posted Apr 12, 2012 19:36 UTC (Thu) by Baylink (guest, #755) [Link]
Another more important topic is how that ties into "compatibility designation", particularly in our environment of software modularity: if you're creating, say, a module that works in Paul Davis' excellent Ardour audio workbench, you have to be allowed to say that it's compatible with Ardour or "built for" Ardour (or, in the opposite direction, that your website is "powered by" Apache), and have it legally understood that that's a nominative use, as well -- even if that trademarked name is part of yours; the rules for how such compound names must be constructed to be informative but not confusing/diluting need to be included in project trademark plans.
Posted Apr 13, 2012 0:05 UTC (Fri)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
[Link] (2 responses)
This always gets me. The second part is clearly false. The talk not only was full of legal advice, but fairly trustworthy legal advice that it would be reasonable for listeners to rely upon - at least in preference to the usual sources of legal advice: parents, friends, government workers, LWN readers, etc.
What it isn't is professional legal advice, which would require a license to give and would be even more reliable, so far as to come with a statutory warranty.
Posted Apr 16, 2012 21:08 UTC (Mon)
by Baylink (guest, #755)
[Link] (1 responses)
Posted Apr 17, 2012 20:41 UTC (Tue)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
[Link]
That's kind of my point. Sandler and many others say "I'm not giving you legal advice," using the term in a rather different sense than plain English, which leads to confusion. I know many people who, based on other people throwing around that term of art, believe they can't legally, or safely, give legal advice. Furthermore, the fact that, using plain English, Sandler's statement is clearly a lie makes one wonder what else she says should be taken with a grain of salt.
Actually, when careful lawyers talk about the special ramifications of giving professional legal advice, I usually hear them use the term "practicing law," instead of "giving legal advice," because that's the term the statutes actually use for the thing that requires a license and is subject to malpractice liability. Giving professional legal advice is one way to practice law.
I say people should avoid that term of art. (I also say the statement is usually superfluous; the chance that someone could justifiably think he was getting professional legal advice from a public speech is too small to worry about).
Posted Apr 13, 2012 11:42 UTC (Fri)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
[Link] (4 responses)
(As an aside, the legal requirement to enforce trademark usage does more to damn the image of lawyers than anything else they do. So, to pick an example completely out of the air, I use the term 'google' in a column to indicate the act of searching the web, a use well-established for over five years now -- I know people who know the verb 'to google' but do *not* realise that you can also say 'to search the web'! -- and get a snotty letter from a lawyer.
Now what is the point of sending this letter at all? The only reason I could possibly have to do as the lawyer says and stop using the word to mean 'to search the web' would be in order to be nice to someone. Now being nice to someone is normal, but it is less normal to be nice to someone who's just sent me a pointless threatening letter complaining about a normal part of English language formation. IMO anyone who does it and is not actually selling something intended to confuse the public is a craven fool. And it's not even the poor lawyer's fault: [s]he's obliged to send this useless and unpleasant missive.)
Posted Apr 13, 2012 12:30 UTC (Fri)
by cortana (subscriber, #24596)
[Link] (3 responses)
Posted Apr 13, 2012 14:12 UTC (Fri)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
[Link] (2 responses)
Posted Apr 13, 2012 15:01 UTC (Fri)
by cortana (subscriber, #24596)
[Link] (1 responses)
Posted Apr 13, 2012 20:28 UTC (Fri)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
[Link]
LFCS 2012: Trademarks for free software projects
the usual disclaimers (I am not your lawyer and this is not legal advice)
LFCS 2012: Trademarks for free software projects
LFCS 2012: Trademarks for free software projects: giving legal advice
"Legal advice" is a term of art, at least in my experience, at least in the US, for what you're distinguishing as "professional legal advice".
LFCS 2012: Trademarks for free software projects
LFCS 2012: Trademarks for free software projects
LFCS 2012: Trademarks for free software projects
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