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byjfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) writes:
If you are importing all your cars, might as well import good ones.
bySirSpanksALot ( 7630868 ) writes:
It helps that the chinese EV's are *significantly* cheaper than EV's from western countries.
byBeepBoopBeep ( 7930446 ) writes:
It helps BYD is a state funded entity. Sell at losses globally as long as granpa Xi keeps funding the losses through government loans. Any chinese company that supports the government agenda becomes a government department to keep going, no matter the P&L
bysit1963nz ( 934837 ) writes:
Like Tesla then...Except BYD cars are better quality and surrounded by less lies and BS.
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bycayenne8 ( 626475 ) writes:
I'll just stick with ICE for the foreseeable future...it's just more convenient for me and my lifestyle.
bysit1963nz ( 934837 ) writes:
We do not generate enough electricity anywhere in the world to replace oil...yet. One day perhaps, but not for a long time.
The other issue is heat pumps (Aircon), people are using it summer and winter so hydro reserves have no time to refill with the summer melt.
And more people are getting ride of wildfires , so in goes more heat pumps ...
bysit1963nz ( 934837 ) writes:
Go look at the % of energy needs you country has which are supplied by fossil fuels.
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
Go look at the efficiency of power plants and EVs. You will get more miles and less emissions out of putting the fossil fuels into power plants and charging EVs.
bycheekyboy ( 598084 ) writes:
Burning oil to make oil , so you can burn more oil to transport oil, using trucks that burn more oil to deliver what oil is left to 1000s of locations
is the dumbest distribution idea ever.
by1s44c ( 552956 ) writes:
Sunlight and wind is literally free. As much as you like. But if you want to pay more for energy you can do that.
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
No, continuing to put fossil fuels in cars is the dumbest idea ever. This is more like the second dumbest.
bystealth_finger ( 1809752 ) writes:
Because making all these batteries is so much better?
bypezpunk ( 205653 ) writes:
Yes it absolutely is and itâ(TM)s not even close, you ignorant dumbshit.
bystealth_finger ( 1809752 ) writes:
Tell that to all the kids mining the cobalt and lithium and other toxic shit without even shoes, that'll give you something so do while you're driving around waiting for it to become carbon neutral and hoping you don't trash it or need a new one anytime soon. Also have fun ramping up production to a state where you could feasibly replace every single ICE engine with one of these monstrosities.
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
Lithium can be extracted via brining. LFP batteries use no cobalt. Get a real argument.
byKermodeBear ( 738243 ) writes:
For a very long time it was the best we had and things cannot change overnight. This will all take time. Your attitude is unwarranted.
bystealth_finger ( 1809752 ) writes:
Also needs massive world wide infrastructure upgrades. That do anything for you?
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
Not much. Any kind of increase in power consumption is going to require that, and we have plenty of capacity available at night. There's also many opportunities to add solar to car parks, which can be used to charge cars in those car parks, which won't require any grid improvements at all.
bykenh ( 9056 ) writes:
...said the guy that never heard of pipelines.
We use pipelines for both crude oil AND refined products like gasoline and diesel, as well as heating fuel.
Remember this [eia.gov]?
byukoda ( 537183 ) writes:
Who is 'we'? That sounds like a USA problems with there power grid is broken by politics.
This post is about Australia, you know, one of those other countries. Australia in particular is very well set up with a huge amount of solar power available and with a lower population density such that a typical house there has more than enough roof space for a decent size solar array that can run a house, charge a car and run aircon.
I know first hand because that is what I do here in New Zealand. Last year I pulled 1.3Mwh from the grid, but after running my house, aircon and charging my car I still had 4Mwh surplus to push into the grid. The power I pulled was from a green energy supplier and the power I pushed was from my roof top solar panels.
Sure, I'm an early adopter so paid a lot but the prices are falling so fast that ROI is looking good for most people now. New Zealand is currently 82% renewables and on track to be 100%, while other countries are ahead of us. So I call bullshit on it being a long time to replace oil for cars. If you ignore the dumpster fire that is the current USA the rest of the world is rolling out new green energy at a rate that is generally on par with extra power need for the new BEVs hitting the road. There is bound to be issues with such a big transition but trend is clear and happening faster than most people expected.
BTW, I have owned both a BYD and Tesla and both were fine vehicles that I was/am more than happy with.
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bysit1963nz ( 934837 ) writes:
I am in NZ.
https://www.energyresources.or... [energyresources.org.nz]
In New Zealand we are fortunate to have renewable energy sources providing most of our electricity (around 82%) and around 40% of our total primary energy. This includes geothermal, hydro and wind.
The other 60% of our energy comes from oil (32%), natural gas (21%) and a small amount of coal.*
Example of one are worthless.
byChang ( 2714 ) writes:
https://www.eeca.govt.nz/insig... [eeca.govt.nz].
2023 data
"Around 60% of New Zealand’s energy is supplied by fossil fuels. Once energy losses and distribution are taken into account, fossil fuels make up about 70% of our total final consumption"
byukoda ( 537183 ) writes:
The 82% figure is for electricity generation. The fossil energy figure you quote is mostly for ICEVs. There is a healthy growth in the generation of renewable electricty that will support the transition to EVs which will in turn reduce the fossil energy figure.
byChang ( 2714 ) writes:
The 2050 plan calls for a fossil fuel reduction from the current 60-70% figure down to 30%.
byukoda ( 537183 ) writes:
Yes, I chose Merdian as my power suppler who use 0% oil, natural gas and coal. I use electricity for my car, cooking and a reverse cycle heat pump. An example of one is a case in point. It is proof of what can be done as a counter point to false claim "We do not generate enough electricity anywhere in the world to replace oil...yet. One day perhaps, but not for a long time.".
In most cases the use of oil is a commercial choice. It make sense to creating things like plastic, but burning it is not neces
bysit1963nz ( 934837 ) writes:
Cool...so now we have the issue of the southern lakes not filling up properly because of lack of snow due to Climate change and the use of heat pumps that keep electricity demand high, so the lakes end up reaching crisis point.
byukoda ( 537183 ) writes:
I don't know about the lake levels, I don't manage them. I do think geothermal and tidal energy are a good fit for here as both make a stable base generation and we are lucky to have them fairly accessible. For self generation I have acquired a vertical wind turbine to supplement my solar in winter. I'm still setting that up.
bysit1963nz ( 934837 ) writes:
Again, we have problems with the aquifers being depleted which impacts geothermal energy.
This whole thing is not a "simple" issue as those from both sides want to make it sound.
There will for the foreseeable future be ICE for heavy transport, it will probably be plant oil based at some stage, but it will still be needed.
bysnookiex ( 1814614 ) writes:
Putting all your power generation hopes on sources that depend entirely on climate variables (wind, sunlight or water) when climate unstability has been heralded for decades is short of stupid. Keeping a reasonable fuel-generated power grid (fossil or nuclear) is a wise (though admittedly not cheap) choice.
bymjwx ( 966435 ) writes:
Who is 'we'? That sounds like a USA problems with there power grid is broken by politics.
This post is about Australia, you know, one of those other countries.
And keep in mind that a "cheap" car in Australia is still going to be expensive, precisely thanks to the government protecting a dying car industry by blocking cheap imports. Ford and Holden are long since gone after sucking up every tax dollar they could but their legacy of making cars expensive remains.
UnZud (NZ = New Zealand) where the parent poster is from, didn't have such restrictions so bought cheap used cars from the UK, especially during the scrapage schemes of the 00s.
byh33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) writes:
So how's Australia doing it? Watching every other country pull ahead of you on EVs and EV infrastructure is no fun but you decided to make a partisan issue and here you are.
bycheekyboy ( 598084 ) writes:
He snuck a billboard into the heart of Tokyo to expose how INPEX, Japan's government-owned gas corporation, is getting billions of dollars of Australian gas for free while paying zero royalties and barely any tax to Aussie punters.
https://australiainstitute.org... [australiai...ute.org.au]
No royalties, No PRRT, and only 13 million of average income tax paid per year on 41 Billion in revenue.
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byjellomizer ( 103300 ) writes:
I have an EV. My homes AC and Heat pump uses more power than my EV. But no one is really complaining about home Climate Control as a drain on our power generation. Heck power companies are saying we should switch to heat pumps.
As well normal conditions EVs charge during the night while energy consumption is low, and helps balance the demand of the power grid, to allow more efficient use of the existing grid.
What you really should be concerned about is the AI farms, the AI based server farms chew up a hec
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byzawarski ( 1381571 ) writes:
Agreed. Still have my eye on a 1978 C3 Stingray Corvette. ICE, ICE baby.
bycayenne8 ( 626475 ) writes:
Agreed. Still have my eye on a 1978 C3 Stingray Corvette. ICE, ICE baby.
I'm still wanting to get and do a resto-mod of a 1976 Trans Am 455 4-speed. Something that gets 10 gallons to the mile.
I'd love to get one and take off all the stuff they were doing at the end to restrict airflow and HP....and open that sucker up, with a modern suspension.
I also like that last year with the round headlights....real vintage looking with the screaming chicken.
I love the old Vettes too....but I had a new C5 6 speed wh
bykackle ( 910159 ) writes:
Please leave the classic cars alone. You can buy a modern car that's faster anyway. Modifying something that survived for decades is akin to changing the hairstyle of the Mona Lisa because she's out of style.
These cars represent a period, a style, an engineering design of history. Once ripped apart, you almost can't put it back...all that is lost forever, and future generations won't care about what you thought was cool in 2025. Thin rims, for example [even on pick-up trucks now?], are already starting to look dated.
To pull from the movie: "We are simply passing through history. This...this is history"
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bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
and future generations won't care about what you thought was cool in 2025
No one is buying a classic car for a future generation. People do what pleases themselves. There's no reason a classic car needs to remain in its original state other than for collection and resale value. The GP clearly intended to actually drive it.
bykackle ( 910159 ) writes:
No one is buying a classic car for a future generation.
That is clear, but they are ruining it for future generations--that's my point.
People do what pleases themselves.
No kidding? I'm suggesting he think about more than his ephemeral desire. If he really likes the "art", then don't bring spray paint to the museum.
There's no reason a classic car needs to remain in its original state other than for collection and resale value.
Then you missed my point about the destruction of its original state. Eventually, future viewers of impromptu classic car shows (common here in the US) won't know what these cars even looked like because the current owner's tweak du jour.
bycayenne8 ( 626475 ) writes:
Ideally, I'd be looking for a classic car that is in need of restoration...I'd not be destroying anything...I'd be fixing it.
I want it to look they way it did, but underneath I'd like to fix a few things like the suspension and remove all the air restrictions the '76 models had as the gas crisis back then (and insurance pressure) was causing.
Ideally from the outside, you'd not really be able to tell it had been upgraded, but driving it...you'd know.
And as others have said, I don't want a garage queen jus
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
That is clear, but they are ruining it for future generations--that's my point.
There's no obligation to keep something for a future generation is my point. You do with an item what you want. Classic cars are a tiny TINY minority of the actual remaining vehicles that were produced, and no one at the time was able to identify if a car would turn into a future classic.
It was never clear that that E-Type would become a classic. Who ruined it? The guy who installed an E-type electric conversion kit? Or the 1000s of people who drove theirs into a tree? Or the 1000s of others who drove it to
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Exactly. You do you. Just because a car is a classic doesn't place any obligations on what you want to do with it. You and I don't always see eye-to-eye (actually we rarely do) but I'm 100% with you on this be it a garage collection item, a daily driver, or if you want to throw it out of a plane to see what sound it makes to hit the ground for a youtube video. It's ultimately your thing for your enjoyment.
bykackle ( 910159 ) writes:
There's no obligation to keep something for a future generation is my point.
Of course there's no obligation. Perhaps in the young US, it's appreciated to have something that has existed long term, versus, say, Europe where everywhere you go there's a centuries-old building, etc.
Classic cars are a tiny TINY minority of the actual remaining vehicles that were produced
I once correctly said 'Where I live, there's a classic car on every block.' That is probably a little less so today, but every town still has a weekly classic car show in the summer. I consider these cars a part of our car-oriented history, each a rolling-museum.
You're not depriving a future generation of anything by modifying something if you don't intend to pass it on in the first place. The majority of the world's cars don't make it.
Your point is taken, and converges wi
bycayenne8 ( 626475 ) writes:
Exactly. You do you. Just because a car is a classic doesn't place any obligations on what you want to do with it. You and I don't always see eye-to-eye (actually we rarely do) but I'm 100% with you on this be it a garage collection item, a daily driver, or if you want to throw it out of a plane to see what sound it makes to hit the ground for a youtube video. It's ultimately your thing for your enjoyment.
Absolutely.....
And hey, pretty much everyone in the world can usually find at least a few things they
byBarsteward ( 969998 ) writes:
"10 miles to the gallon" - you, like many others, are the problem causing shitty air quality. effing wasters. redirect your tailpipe to the cabin of your car so your lungs can clean the shit before anyone else gets it in their lungs
byKermodeBear ( 738243 ) writes:
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
bywertigon ( 1204486 ) writes:
While you are at it, might as well increase the fuel efficiency to 100 mpg equivalent.
https://www.idealclassiccars.n... [idealclassiccars.net]
byjellomizer ( 103300 ) writes:
I have found that an EV is more convenient for me.
I have a rather long commute of 30 miles to work and 30 miles back. I charge up at night and leave every day with a full charge. Where before when I use to have a Gas car, near the end of the week, I am driving home with the E light on my fuel gauge hoping I estimated my range correctly. Then I would often need to take an unscheduled stop to get fuel.
Normally I would need to drive 5 minutes off my route to get to the gas station, there is a often a car fu
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byMr2cents ( 323101 ) writes:
I switched to electric last year and I regret not doing it sooner. Charge at home, no diesel fumes, amazing performance, quiet, and does short trips without it being bad for the engine.
byDesScorp ( 410532 ) writes:
Like Tesla then...Except BYD cars are better quality
LOL, Holy Shit. There's delusional, and then there's... this.
bycoopertempleclause ( 7262286 ) writes:
Tesla have received $38 billion in federal grants from the US government and its CEO is currently a major figure in the government hierarchy.
Plus their cars regularly review poorly.
Which part exactly do you consider "delusional"?
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bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Actually there's a difference. Subsidies in America are not given to car companies for EVs directly. They are given to consumers for sale locally. China on the other hand gives subsidies to car companies directly, regardless of where the final destination for the vehicle is (including export) meaning that yes it is capitalism vs communism. One is a demand side subsidy, the other is supply side government support of a specific company.
Incidentally Tesla gets this too ... from China ... which is why some Chin
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bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
So, a loan. Note that loans != subsidies.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
A loan is not a subsidy - it s repaid.
An auto credit is a subsidy and quite critically it is not based on production of vehicle but *LOCAL SALE*. It does not skew a market internationally which is very different from what China did. One could argue at best that state subsidies given to Tesla to help secure the site of a new gigafactory is the closest thing to what China does, but the credits for automakers, even when bought and sold between them are directly tied to a vehicle put on American roads and criti
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bysabbede ( 2678435 ) writes:
Well, it does matter since a loan gets repaid, and as a nation we have decided that sometimes it is appropriate to use tax dollars to help advance beneficial advances. Tesla got government loans because they were trying to revolutionize the electric vehicle market - something seen as globally beneficial, especially by the same people who now condemn Musk.
On an unrelated note, I have two half-Australian-Collie puppies and they are adorable.
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bycheekyboy ( 598084 ) writes:
Another stooge spreading fake crap again, POST us proof of statement links
No one believes you.
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