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byDrMrLordX ( 559371 ) writes:
Isn't that supposed to be covered by unemployment benefits?
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
No, unemployment benefits deal with frictional unemployment. The short-term, between jobs kind.
Structural unemployment, which is what allegedly the llms are about to unleash has always been dealt with by a more complex policy.
byDrMrLordX ( 559371 ) writes:
Yes but if you're dealing with mass unemployment due to AI, why set up a UBI when you could expand unemployment instead?
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
The theory behind UBI that I've heard is that it saves on administrative procedures. A lot.
Imagine UBI exists.
All the right wing nut talking points about "fraud" would disappear and all those billions spent on ICE and the like would go to the people.
Or some such.
byDrMrLordX ( 559371 ) writes:
Yeah, sure. As if it takes much in the way of administrative procedures to operate existing unemployment benefits programs at higher benefit levels and/or longer benefit durations (it doesn't).
byBert64 ( 520050 ) writes:
One of the biggest problems with existing programs is fraud (ie people making claims who shouldnt). Because such fraud happens there is then a lot of money spent on enforcement, as well as entitlement checks for anyone applying.
With a UBI scheme everyone gets it by default, so there is much less fraud and no entitlement checks. Everyone simply gets it wether they're employed or not.
It also means that actually working is beneficial, because someone working will always be better off than someone relying solel
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
One of the biggest problems with existing programs is fraud (ie people making claims who shouldnt). Because such fraud happens there is then a lot of money spent on enforcement, as well as entitlement checks for anyone applying.
With a UBI scheme everyone gets it by default, so there is much less fraud and no entitlement checks. Everyone simply gets it wether they're employed or not.
It also means that actually working is beneficial, because someone working will always be better off than someone relying solely on their UBI. Contrast that with the current system where someone on low paid work might actually be worse off, or could be claiming welfare anyway to top up their low salary (more complexity).
I wonder how much less fraud there will be. As an example, a friend of my wife is working, yet has three autistic children she is receiving SSI payments for as well as support from her ex. The wife says that all three appear normal, well adjusted, and intelligent. The oldest one plans to start college in a couple years.
All strata of people commit fraud. Or is this just the standard Slashdot narrative that the honesty, morality, and basic decency of all humans is inversely proportional to how much money t
byspitzak ( 4019 ) writes:
In your example the woman's three children would get EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUT of UBI, no matter whether they are autistic and or her own situation and income. This is why fraud would be reduced, because there are many fewer things that a person can do to change how much they get. Obviously things like making up fake recipients would still work, but all "lie on the application" fraud is removed. At least pretend to understand the argument before saying anything.
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byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
In your example the woman's three children would get EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUT of UBI, no matter whether they are autistic and or her own situation and income. This is why fraud would be reduced, because there are many fewer things that a person can do to change how much they get. Obviously things like making up fake recipients would still work, but all "lie on the application" fraud is removed. At least pretend to understand the argument before saying anything.
Had to get to insult level, didn't ya. Funny how people who would claim to be so much smarter than me believe that UBI is some sort of fraud deterrent.
Like this woman would be pure and law abiding if only they threw money at her and her children.
SOrry, perhaps you do not know as much about human nature as you purport to. She worked. She got Child support, she got Alimony.
She did not get the SSI money because she needed it. She got it by taking advantage of the system. She used the SSI to support he
byspitzak ( 4019 ) writes:
I think there are problems with UBI, but the basic fact that EVERYBODY GETS IT means it is impossible for there to be fraud where somebody who should not get it lies and recieves it, for the simple reason that no such person exists.
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
I think there are problems with UBI, but the basic fact that EVERYBODY GETS IT means it is impossible for there to be fraud where somebody who should not get it lies and recieves it, for the simple reason that no such person exists.
Fortunately there is no other form of Fraud, amirite?
I think you are trying to box me in as some sort of right wing nut. So let's move on - okay, should everyone get UBI from birth? You said in all caps - "EVERYBODY GETS IT". So okay, at birth a person stars getting UBI. How much?
Now since it is in your words, impossible to there to be any fraud under UBI. it's take this woman who funds her lifestyle with th eSSI her pretend autistic children get. So your system of everybody gets UBI - will autistic c
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