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byDrMrLordX ( 559371 ) writes:
Isn't that supposed to be covered by unemployment benefits?
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
No, unemployment benefits deal with frictional unemployment. The short-term, between jobs kind.
Structural unemployment, which is what allegedly the llms are about to unleash has always been dealt with by a more complex policy.
byDrMrLordX ( 559371 ) writes:
Yes but if you're dealing with mass unemployment due to AI, why set up a UBI when you could expand unemployment instead?
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
The theory behind UBI that I've heard is that it saves on administrative procedures. A lot.
Imagine UBI exists.
All the right wing nut talking points about "fraud" would disappear and all those billions spent on ICE and the like would go to the people.
Or some such.
byDrMrLordX ( 559371 ) writes:
Yeah, sure. As if it takes much in the way of administrative procedures to operate existing unemployment benefits programs at higher benefit levels and/or longer benefit durations (it doesn't).
byBert64 ( 520050 ) writes:
One of the biggest problems with existing programs is fraud (ie people making claims who shouldnt). Because such fraud happens there is then a lot of money spent on enforcement, as well as entitlement checks for anyone applying.
With a UBI scheme everyone gets it by default, so there is much less fraud and no entitlement checks. Everyone simply gets it wether they're employed or not.
It also means that actually working is beneficial, because someone working will always be better off than someone relying solel
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
One of the biggest problems with existing programs is fraud (ie people making claims who shouldnt). Because such fraud happens there is then a lot of money spent on enforcement, as well as entitlement checks for anyone applying.
With a UBI scheme everyone gets it by default, so there is much less fraud and no entitlement checks. Everyone simply gets it wether they're employed or not.
It also means that actually working is beneficial, because someone working will always be better off than someone relying solely on their UBI. Contrast that with the current system where someone on low paid work might actually be worse off, or could be claiming welfare anyway to top up their low salary (more complexity).
I wonder how much less fraud there will be. As an example, a friend of my wife is working, yet has three autistic children she is receiving SSI payments for as well as support from her ex. The wife says that all three appear normal, well adjusted, and intelligent. The oldest one plans to start college in a couple years.
All strata of people commit fraud. Or is this just the standard Slashdot narrative that the honesty, morality, and basic decency of all humans is inversely proportional to how much money t
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
The SSA has to make a determination of disability before SSI (or for that matter SSDI) is granted, so blame the SSA for getting it wrong.
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
The SSA has to make a determination of disability before SSI (or for that matter SSDI) is granted, so blame the SSA for getting it wrong.
And? Autism is pretty hard to prove, and yes, there was a time when a lot of things got rubber stamped. All that said, if the ATM spits out a thousand dollars, and you take it, then you are stealing it. The child claimed to be autistic to a point where he needs supplemental income just to live, yet presents normally socialized, and will be going to college is hardly a person who needs that money.
It isn't his fault, it is his mothers. but interesting that you support the fraud. No, just because there was
bydrinkypoo ( 153816 ) writes:
It isn't his fault, it is his mothers. but interesting that you support the fraud.
The SSA is using people who are not medical professionals to make what are effectively medical determinations. This is ever so much bullshit. People can appeal with the same facts (documentation etc) and have a much higher approval rate when they do, and then they have a yet higher approval rate if they employ a disability lawyer (who takes a portion of their back benefits as payment.)
I am very much not supporting fraud, I am saying that the people whose job it is to stop the fraud from occurring in the fir
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
It isn't his fault, it is his mothers. but interesting that you support the fraud.
The SSA is using people who are not medical professionals to make what are effectively medical determinations. This is ever so much bullshit.
This is true. I don't actually think you support fraud, Just a rhetorical thingy.
In support of what you note, the approval process is seriously inconsistent. I knew a woman who was definitely in bad shape -yet no approval. In the 2010 era, they were granting SS disability to people in some communities that had jobs that were going away forever, like clothing manufacturers. They were not disabled, just going to be hard to employ (heard this on NPR)
The hell of the thing is that SSI - even basic Social Security is pretty much a pittance.
But that woman might not be committing fraud in her mind, but she was just taking advantage of every opportunity she saw as her right. Maybe the person approving her surprising three children being autistic liked her. It was at a time when Autism speaks was claiming an epidemic epidemic, People were blaming things like vaccines for it. It was the cause du jour.Might have even been a quota.
I do know she is pissed that her son going to college is moving away. Even the Social security system has trouble deciding normal college students living normal college student lives, taking normal courses - are autistic to the point of needing disability. Wife say she thinks he wants out of the system for being considered impaired, wants to live a normal life.
Note, he isn't an aspie.
People can appeal with the same facts (documentation etc) and have a much higher approval rate when they do, and then they have a yet higher approval rate if they employ a disability lawyer (who takes a portion of their back benefits as payment.)
Some times they can wear the appeals process down. A member of a local ham club found a doctor who specialized in calling people disabled. They just kept appealing until the SS system figured he had no intention of ever working again, and granted him disability.
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