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byglwtta ( 532858 ) writes:
Apple and Google favor H.264 while Mozilla and Opera favor Ogg Theora.
Right, while convenient, that doesn't strike me as a very comprehensive list of "major browser vendors".
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byAphoxema ( 1088507 ) * writes:
It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, it just has to have a few big names in support to mitigate the toppling effects of change.
Because Mozilla are obviously the good guys because they're the ones I like, personally, Apple and Google need to cave into the will of the commons. The commons, of course, being myself.
byVGPowerlord ( 621254 ) writes:
Microsoft supports neither, so there's no point in including them. With the addition of Microsoft, you have all the major browsers covered.
byKingMotley ( 944240 ) * writes:
Microsoft hasn't commented, which isn't the same as supporting neither. However, considering that silverlight 3.0 is slated to support H.264, I suspect that says a lot by itself.
bybenwaggoner ( 513209 ) writes:
Microsoft hasn't commented, which isn't the same as supporting neither. However, considering that silverlight 3.0 is slated to support H.264, I suspect that says a lot by itself.
Silverlight 3's Raw AV pipeline should be able to support Ogg Theora/Vorbis:
http://on10.net/blogs/benwagg/Silverlight-3-Beta-Whatrsquos-New-for-Media/ [on10.net]
Someone's already working on a port of the Ogg wrapper and Vorbis for Silverlight and Moonlight:
http://veritas-vos-liberabit.com/monogatari/2009/03/moonvorbis.html [veritas-vo...erabit.com]
byKingMotley ( 944240 ) * writes:
H.264 will be shipped standard with Silverlight, Ogg Theora/Vorbis currently is not planned to be. Yes, 3rd parties should be able to add other codecs as well if they want as well.
bysam31415 ( 558641 ) writes:
If you click through to Hickson's actual summary [whatwg.org], you can see why Microsoft is being largely omitted from the discussion:
"Microsoft has not commented on their intent to support <video> at all."
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byLennie ( 16154 ) writes:
Doing standard properly isn't in Microsofts best interrest.
byrdnetto ( 955205 ) writes:
Translation: Microsoft does not intend to implement HTML5 until they get hit with another anticompetitive lawsuit by the EU.
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byJust Some Guy ( 3352 ) writes:
Right, while convenient, that doesn't strike me as a very comprehensive list of "major browser vendors".
Good point. Let me fix that: "Hickson outlined the positions of each major browser vendor that is likely to get off their ass and release something relevant to this issue within the decade". Does that about cover it?
byjbeaupre ( 752124 ) writes:
Sure it is. MS doesn't vend IE, it's bundled.
byclone53421 ( 1310749 ) writes:
No kidding. I wonder... if IE wasn't bundled... how many people would actually use it?
"I bought internet, how to I make my computer load web sites?" is a question that any self-respecting tech should respond to by installing Firefox (some degree of freedom might be given to those who favour Chrome or Opera, if that's your preference).
Although, I suppose it's nice to at least have something with which to connect to http://www.getfirefox.com/ [getfirefox.com] and download the setup. That way you don't have to carry it around
byicebraining ( 1313345 ) writes:
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/ [mozilla.org]
byDragonWriter ( 970822 ) writes:
Right, while convenient, that doesn't strike me as a very comprehensive list of "major browser vendors".
Its a pretty comprehensive list of "major browser vendors" committed to any substantial support of HTML5; sure, it misses Microsoft, but given that Microsoft has pretty much said they don't care about HTML5 at all in any case, they aren't really part of the conversation.
byaztektum ( 170569 ) writes:
Yeah, what about IceWeasel?
bymodulation ( 805800 ) writes:
IceWeasel is just a rebranding of Firefox from Debian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranding [wikipedia.org]
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byKingMotley ( 944240 ) * writes:
I would say it's more appropriate to say:
Mozilla and Opera want Ogg Theora.
But if you are a content producer, the choice is clear. H.264 support is offered by Apple, Google, and soon to be Microsoft. And if you want to release it to blueray, or stream it from netflix or youtube, then no conversion will be necessary as they currently do (or will shortly) support H.264 as well.
I don't see how Mozilla and Opera can win this one, especially considering how much stuff is already in H.264. Ogg Theora's worse q
byBitZtream ( 692029 ) writes:
IE won't use either.
There, you now have the list of every rendering engine of any importance what so ever.
How the hell does this stupid comment get modded as insightful? Do you not realize pretty much every other browser is based off one of the rendering engines used in those listed?
byglwtta ( 532858 ) writes:
IE won't use either.
Which means this whole "debate" is just so much pointless masturbation.
Do you not realize pretty much every other browser is based off one of the rendering engines used in those listed?
Ah yes, that was my mistake - I didn't account for the 500 browsers that make up the remaining 0.005% of the market.
Don't you think it's a little silly to be putting so much energy into debating standards that are not going to be supported by the browser used by 2/3rds of all users? Like it or
byjrumney ( 197329 ) writes:
Its taken as a given that Microsoft will be supporting only wmv in their version of HTML5.
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