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bySavage-Rabbit ( 308260 ) writes:
The House of Representatives on Thursday voted to block California from implementing plans to block new sales of gas-powered vehicles in a decade.
While this may seem like a victory for Oil and ICE it is really quite inconsequential. ICE tech is going away just like horse drawn carriages did, it may take a bit longer now but there is no stopping it despite heroic last stands like this one.
byKernel Kurtz ( 182424 ) writes:
ICE tech is going away just like horse drawn carriages did
Cars were a considerable improvement over horse drawn carriages. BEVs are not such an improvement over ICEVs. They are a tradeoff with some better and some worse properties. I expect them both to co-exist for a long, long time.
That said, I agree with you insofar as if most people find them better, then BEVs will replace ICEVs organically without any need for legislation or time limits, so I'm not seeing any big deal here either.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
What positives do EVs have over ICEs besides being able to charge at home?
byCavemanKiwi ( 559158 ) writes:
- Smoother powertrain
- Faster acceleration
- Fewer parts
- Less noise pollution
- Less localized pollution
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byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
- Lower center of gravity means improved handling
- Far less fluids to replace (gear oil, brake fluid and coolant are about it and those all last longer in an EV)
- More storage space
- Regenerative braking means less brake pad wear
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
- Lower center of gravity means improved handling: I'm not aware of EVs beating ICEs regularly at the Nuremberg ring.. Low center of gravity is good, yes, but weight in general is bad.
- Far less fluids to replace (gear oil, brake fluid and coolant are about it and those all last longer in an EV): I haven't had to do that with any fluid other than oil since 1992. For oil, the reminder comes on and you go to a quick oil change place. No big deal.
- More storage space: I haven't found one with as much as my Explorer for, say, within 10% of the price. Do any have third row seating?
- Regenerative braking means less brake pad wear: but repairs to an EV are more expensive in general.
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byjacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) writes:
They do in the ways normal drivers care about and and their love of top heavy vehicles. Also plenty of EVs have set very fast ring times. At the hypercar levels the weight penalty still factors in.
You haven't changed any of those fluids in 33 years? Oil changes are hot and annoying and considering if this magic fluid happens to leave the engine has a good chance of stopping forever. You might not find it a big deal but the fact they are *eliminated* is a plus in the EVs favor. Quick change places ain't exa
byChatHuant ( 801522 ) writes:
I'm not aware of EVs beating ICEs regularly at the Nuremberg ring
You probably mean Nurburgring, which is not in Nuremberg; it's in a different city named Nurburg (the first u is supposed to have an umlaut, but Slashdot doesn't do umlauts).
In any case, the fact you're not aware of any EV's beating ICEs only shows what you know. From here [autoexpress.co.uk]: the unrestricted record holder at Nurburgring is the Porsche 919 Evo, which is a hybrid car. The second fastest lap was done by a full-electric: a Nurburgring edition of Volkswagen's ID4.
The fastest production car was also a hybrid: a F1
byangel'o'sphere ( 80593 ) writes:
/. Does Umlauts, if you use Windows and can type it as extended ASCII with the alt-Gr key.
"Normal" Umlauts are UTF16 /. mangels them into two "bytes"
byChatHuant ( 801522 ) writes:
Well, thanks for the tip!
Still, we're already a quarter into the 21st century and Slashdot still doesn't do Unicode; I'm starting to find it charmingly old-fashioned, like cassette tapes, vacuum tube TVs or the PDP-11.
byretchdog ( 1319261 ) writes:
You could relive the 90s and type out the longhand html entity as
ü
if you really want to, and /. will parse that (unless you put it in an ecode block as i did). Such convenience!
byangel'o'sphere ( 80593 ) writes:
Well, during Windows 95 times, you could simply type the Umlaut, as it was not Unicode at that time. I just use the alternative spelling, you can add an "e" behind the main vowel.
As in Ae, Oe Ue.
byAmiMoJo ( 196126 ) writes:
The Volkswagen ID.R is 2nd place for the fastest ever lap of the Nürburgring Nordschleife, only beaten by a hybrid Porsche LMP1 car. The 3rd place spot is a fossil made by Lotus and is 20 seconds slower. There are a couple of other EVs with competitive times too, from Nio and Xiaomi.
There are plenty of EVs on the market in Europe with three rows of seats, including the ID Buzz, Kia EV9, Volvo EX90, Rivian R1S, Mercedes EQS and EQB etc. There are some Chinese brands offering them too, at prices we
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
This is the list for the fastest laps:
1. Mercedes - AMG One Maro Engel 6:30.70 1063 / 1695
2. 911 GT2 RS Manthey Performanc.. Lars Kern 6:38.84 700 / 1440
3. McLaren P1 LM Kenny Brack 6:43.20 1000 / 1390
4. AMG GT Black Series Maro Engel 6:43.62 730 / 1637
5. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992) Jörg Bergmeister 6:44.85 525 / 1480
Are any of those electric? Doesn't seem to match with your list.
byAmiMoJo ( 196126 ) writes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
5:19.546 Porsche 919 Hybrid EVO (hybrid)
6:05.336 Volkswagen ID.R (EV)
6:24.047 Lotus Evija X (EV)
6:40.33 Porsche 911 GT2 RS MR (991.2) (fossil)
6:43.22 McLaren P1 XP1 LM Prototype (hybrid)
6:45.90 NIO EP9 (EV)
6:46.874 Xiaomi SU7 Ultra Prototype (EV)
Not sure what the fastest road legal one is, maybe the Porsche Taycan at 7:07.55?
Just in case you need to cover over 20km in 7 minutes I guess.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Not really a good comparison. The Porsche 919 weighs around as much as an F1 car at 1800 lbs, but the lightest ICE was 3100 lbs. I don't understand why the difference, since it's certainly possible to make a lighter ICE car.
byAmiMoJo ( 196126 ) writes:
Comparing any road car based on performance around a track is pointless. I don't know why you brought it up.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Because how else do you determine whether an EV handles better than an ICE?
byAmiMoJo ( 196126 ) writes:
Are you actually driving it at the limit like you do on a track, on normal roads?
Personally I read some reviews and then test drive the car. Track cars often suck on normal roads. Uncomfortable and twitchy.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Well now you are kind of moving the goalposts. We were talking about whether having the weight of the battery is better in general which means taking it to the limit. Normal driving is completely different. I can tell you for certain that high torque and high weight is horrible on ice. Traction control can compensate for the torque but nothing but the tires will save you when stopping on ice and momentum is your enemy there.
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byshilly ( 142940 ) writes:
- A smooth ride is much better than a jerky ride.Stop-start traffic is much, much, much nicer in an EV than in an ICE car, for example. It just strains credulity to imagine that you truly believe that no-one finds value in a smooth ride.
- Pretending that cars don’t make engine noise — ditto.. surely you can’t truly think that’s credible? For example, people buy pickup trucks with big V8s in droves, and specifically love that these are really noisy engined machines
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
I'm not really following why an EV would be smoother in stop start traffic. In an ICE you can accelerate as lightly as you want. I didn't say there weren't people who enjoy a smoother ride, I know there are snowflakes everywhere. Personally I like to chirp the tires from stop to stop.
Yes some engines are loud, but usually because the owner has done that on purpose. Because most people like the sound.
byspitzak ( 4019 ) writes:
Holy crap, have you ever driven an EV? Our Prius Prime blatantly obviously accelerates smoother in EV mode than when it is using its engine.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Smooth ride just doesn't sound fun to me. I have never been on an amusement ride for its smoothness. Being in a high power car and getting your body slammed into your seat at start is what's fun. Bonus points if the tires chirp at every shift. Or in a car that corners well and getting slammed into the door going around a corner fast.
byspitzak ( 4019 ) writes:
Sounds like you would like an electric car, then. They have much higher acceleration.
Acceleration is the second derivative of the car's position and is considered fun. Smoothness or jerk is the third derivative and is different, that is the quantity being talked about here. The Prius Prime, besides being smoother, also has much better acceleration when in electric mode (not that it is that amazing, more like the gas engine feels like I should not try to merge into highway traffic).
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
But how do they accelerate quickly without jerking? I know my ICE is around 425 HP and when you hit the gas properly it feels like the seat is hitting you hard in the back of the head because that's just the physics of changing your body's momentum. Also doesn't that hurt the battery in an EV?
byspitzak ( 4019 ) writes:
Does not harm the battery, but it does use more electricity to accelerate quicker.
The third derivative can be lower even if the second derivative is higher. Basically an electric car will operate at very low accelerations, an ICE typically has a jump between 0 and the lowest acceleration it can do.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
But how do they accelerate quickly at "low accelerations"? Yes, the ICE has a torque converter that builds up and slingshots you as hard as the tires will hold the ground. But either way you are going to accelerate as quickly as the tires hold the ground. Or you have traction control which is kind of cheating, but the ice should then also have traction control for comparisons sake.
byshilly ( 142940 ) writes:
EVs are inherently much, much smoother than an ICE vehicle. They have a direct and completely linear throttle response. By contrast, every ICE vehicle, no matter how well it’s engineered, has a non-linear response, which makes for a jerkier start. In addition, EVs are completely silent at rest, and have no vibration or smell either. They provide a dramatically better experience in stop-start traffic. It’s akin to what you used to only be able to get in something like a Rolls Royce. Obviously, a
byshilly ( 142940 ) writes:
Near me, the 183 bus route has just gone from ICE to EV. I wish I could find a decent clip to upload so you could hear the difference in noise levels: the EV is so much quieter thanks to the lack of engine noise. There’s still plenty of noise to warn pedestrians; it’s a double decker machine that can carry many passengers, so it’s far from silent. But the difference in engine noise is palpable.
And yesterday, I was driving behind a guy who thought he was the shit in his souped-up AMG63, whi
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Ok but if you hate the sound of buses that much then just move somewhere with no traffic.
byshilly ( 142940 ) writes:
Nah. The benefits of living in London far outweigh the costs, plus the city is getting quieter as I just explained!
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
- Smoother powertrain: not really sure how that is a benefit. Are you trying to make a souffle in your car?
You can drive a tractor if you want, that doesn't mean others want to.
How do you add 200 horsepower to an EV if you want it to be faster? Very easy with an ICE.
What kind of a stupid comment is that? The same way you do it with ICE. Chip the ECU, modify the motor, replace the motor. Being different doesn't make it more complicated.
- Fewer parts: yet more expensive and less reliable so what's the point?
EVs are far more reliable than ICE vehicles and have lower maintenance requirements to boot. The unreliable articles you are probably angrily googling right now were related to factory defects covered under warranty. Scroll down in the studies and you'll find that despi
bystrikethree ( 811449 ) writes:
Swappable batteries would make owning an EV stupid easy even for apartment dwellers... but nah. The battery has to be vertically integrated. There can be only ONE winner. (not you)
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