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byMachineShedFred ( 621896 ) writes:
So what happened to states' rights? Good enough to be able to ban abortions, but not good enough to ban polluting cars, apparently.
More rank hypocrisy from the Republican Party.
bygrasshoppa ( 657393 ) writes:
The democrats should be secretly celebrating this; the ban was always a remarkably stupid virtue signal that was going to come back to bite them. There is no way the state could possibly be ready for the ban in 10 years ( look at their rail project lol ).
The republicans just saved the democrats from themselves. If they're smart they'll bitch, whine and moan but not do anything to try to overturn this.
bysupremebob ( 574732 ) writes:
Yeah, I don't think that anybody really thought that all of the auto manufacturers (with the exception of EV makers like Tesla) were going to be ready to fully transition to electric vehicles by 2035. Many of them are just releasing their 1st generation EV products now, and they are outrageously expensive and have terrible range. The new Dodge Charger EV comes to mind as an example... the Scat Pack version costs $75,000, only has a 240 mile range, and can be outperformed by a $55,000 Tesla Model 3 Performan
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
(with the exception of EV makers like Tesla)
Tesla would probably be thrilled though. The world's fourth largest economy and the traditional automakers all caught with their pants down? That's like a license to print money. Goes to show Musk either ain't as clever or influential as he imagines himself to be, since you'd assume he'd be all for California's ICE ban.
Many of them are just releasing their 1st generation EV products now, and they are outrageously expensive and have terrible range.
The real issue though isn't that the cars aren't ready, it's that the charging infrastructure isn't ready. Lots of folks live in apartments where there's no place to charge, and having to
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
The real issue though isn't that the cars aren't ready, it's that the charging infrastructure isn't ready. Lots of folks live in apartments where there's no place to charge, and having to do all your charging away from home kind of makes EV ownership a pain in the ass. I was at an EA station one time talking to a mother who was there with her kids (who were obviously quite irate at the ritual of having to wait while the car charged), and she was adamant that as soon as she could, she was trading in her EV for a car that ran on gas. She'd bought it when she had access to charging at work, had changed jobs, and because she lived in an apartment, no longer had any place to plug in.
One of the worst arguments I hear against EV's. If they don't suit a person's lifestyle, buy a petromobile or the the bus.People living in apartments should not control what is or is not made.The same argument might be made that since people in apartments so often use public transportation, the only vehicles allowed to be produced are buses. I mean, they often cannot afford or even have access to parking, so no cars allowed.
The problem of course is the use case. I do a lot of off-roading, so I buy Jeeps
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
One of the worst arguments I hear against EV's. If they don't suit a person's lifestyle, buy a petromobile or the the bus.People living in apartments should not control what is or is not made.The same argument might be made that since people in apartments so often use public transportation, the only vehicles allowed to be produced are buses. I mean, they often cannot afford or even have access to parking, so no cars allowed.
Huh? We're not talking about banning EVs, we're talking about a ban of ICE vehicles, which gives people who might not have access to charging less choice when it comes time to buy a new car. Nobody who still wants an EV is being inconvenienced in the least by ICE vehicles still being offered as an option. When I went to buy my Bolt, it's not as if the dealer said "Oh, but we still sell gas cars, you have to buy one of those instead!"
At any rate, expecting someone to move because they can't plug their car
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
One of the worst arguments I hear against EV's. If they don't suit a person's lifestyle, buy a petromobile or the the bus.People living in apartments should not control what is or is not made.The same argument might be made that since people in apartments so often use public transportation, the only vehicles allowed to be produced are buses. I mean, they often cannot afford or even have access to parking, so no cars allowed.
Huh? We're not talking about banning EVs
Where did I write about banning EV's? An argument against them is not a call for banning EV's, just that I don't find the apartment living a valid reason for complaining about them. They are not a good use case if you have no place to charge them. Others do.
byPowercntrl ( 458442 ) writes:
I don't find the apartment living a valid reason for complaining about them. They are not a good use case if you have no place to charge them. Others do.
Again, ICE vehicles being available takes nothing away from people who do have access to charging at home. This situation was entirely about California mandating by force of law that by 2035, your new vehicle purchase will be an EV whether you've got a place to plug it in or not.
I related my situation of being at an EA station and encountering a mother who was quite unhappy with her EV, because what was I supposed to say to her? "Sucks to be you, I've got charging at home, only have to use DCFC during my
byOl Olsoc ( 1175323 ) writes:
Sometimes it's better to just nod and agree that maybe, EVs really aren't ideal for every situation, and the people in those situations might not be wrong to complain.
Of course EV's are not the best solution for all situations. Like people who live in apartments and had two options - use a charger, or charge at work, Then loses one of them.
I suppose my answer to the lady who has no charging setup in her apartment would be a noncommittal "I know, right", without saying what I was actually thinking, which is - "If you thought that buying an EV, where your only options was charging at work or here, and it stresses you out because you left that job, and you don't want to wait at at a charger because you have bratty children, and are impatient, you made a poor decision."
I know that it is popular to never judge in these modern times, but prick that I am - I do judge, andmy judgement is that she bears a rather large part of the responsibility for her problem. She bought a car that wasn't made for her, with limited charging options.
If I bought a Bugatti Veyron, and tried to take it off-roading and it was damaged, whose fault is it? Bad use case. I take my vehicle off-roading because it's built for it. I looked that up, it fit my needs, and the make and model fit my use case. PS, buying a bad choice for use case would be 100 percent my fault. I suppose I overplay though, and look things up. And no, I'd not buy a EV if my only choice was work or a Tesla Charger. And If she doesn't have control over her children, well, I don't think that's the EV makers fault.
Another case - perhaps more applicable is if you bought a car that you had to travel 20 miles to get Diesel, there's none in your town, then the station 20 miles away closes, and you now have to drive 50 miles away, perhaps a single point of failure (which it is) tells my that the judgement was a mistake.
Which, I guess we're at an impasse, where I say that her use case doesn't fit her reality, so it's not the manufacturer, and you are saying that it is. Okay, it is what it is. Although I think being proactive about determining the suitability for purpose is never a bad thing to engage in. Don't people do that?
The good news is, perhaps in the future she'll make better decisions. I know, I'm a prick.
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