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I didn't say OpenStack and GitHub were precisely the same.

Posted Mar 15, 2013 3:36 UTC (Fri) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642)
In reply to: SCALE: The life and times of the AGPL by corvus
Parent article: SCALE: The life and times of the AGPL

To be clear, it's true that I had OpenStack on the same slide as GitHub and BitBucket, and Nathan may have drawn more on what the slide says than what I said out loud during the talk. When I give that part of the talk, I point out clearly that OpenStack, is, itself, Apache-licensed Free Software, but has a growing number of proprietary or simply "undisclosed" forks. That situation is indeed different from GitHub and BitBucket in the details, but the general idea is the same: a Free Software core, but lots of proprietary add-ons for secret sauce.

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Posted Mar 15, 2013 16:31 UTC (Fri) by n8willis (editor, #43041) [Link]

It was clear that in both cases, the concept at hand was that there are companies out there building a web-service product that relies on a free software base (e.g., OpenStack or git) but in which the ultimate product itself is not available as free software to the end users; in that case, OpenStack is an example of the component, while Github and Bitbucket were examples of the final product.

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I didn't say OpenStack and GitHub were precisely the same.

Posted Mar 16, 2013 16:12 UTC (Sat) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link]

I think corvus has a point though: OpenStack has a non-profit that is producing a fully Free Software version, and that's what OpenStack itself is. Compare that to GitHub: Git itself *is* like OpenStack in that it's fully Free Software and is part of a non-profit (i.e, Conservancy), too, but GitHub produces the type of software I'm talking about.

I think the problem here is purely the naming: OpenStack proprietary/trade-secret forks/depoloyments aren't called OpenStack, whereas there's no ambiguity when you say "GitHub" what you mean (i.e., you don't mean Git).

I admit I need to be clearer about that point when I give the talk in the future.