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Table colours

The table of fleet locations is very brightly coloured. Do these colours have any significance? If not, I'd say they should be toned down a bit. Firstly because the contrast with black text, especially on the orange and green, is not good and this may impair the ability of some people to read them. The other reasons are less important: secondly because the orange and yellow are a bit close, functionally, and imply a connection between the statuses; and thirdly because there may be green-orange colour-blindness problems. Basically, using colour to convey information on the web isn't a great idea when good layout and text can do it. – Kieran T (talk) 16:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Compartments

I've seen people say that these were the last British trains to be built with compartments. Is that true? If so, it seems significant enough for at least a passing mention. 86.132.140.207 (talk) 23:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Acronyms

The acronyms for the vehicle formations are used but never explained - this is bad. My guess at their meaning is:

Is their really only one motor coach per set? Thryduulf (talk) 13:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

New Acronyms

I was looking at the acronyms for the class 442 and the British Rail coach designations, the acronyms posted on the class 442 page do not make sense.

Below is how they look now:

I believe theyy should be something like this:

What does everyone else think?

Ashley.f5 (talk) 11.30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The leasing company uses DTF-TS-MBLS-TSW-DTSontheir website. I would suggest using those abbreviations as at least they can be cited as a reference. DrFrench (talk) 11:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply


Problem is that Angel Trains have got it wrong. It has always officially been known as DTF-TSO-MBLS-TSW-DTS but that isn't entirely correct. What should I go with, what is right or what I can reference to?
Ashley.f5 (talk) 18.12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
The latter. See WP:Verify, "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true". So you'd have to find a source than can be deemed 'better' than the leasing company to 'trump' it. (Some might also argue that as Angel Trains own them, they can call them what they wish!) DrFrench (talk) 19:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Lovers Walk for Mileage Accumulation

In the location key, it says in yellow Lovers Walk for Mileage Accumulation - what does this mean? -mattbuck (Talk) 23:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Before a train comes into service, it needs to accumulate some miles to make sure the train is in working order. I feel this description is not needed as it is not in line with the complexity of the article and I have therefore removed it. Ashley.f5 (talk) 14:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

Commons images

Hi. Just to let you know, the Commons category for Class 442s is now completely sorted by line, operator and livery. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

mmm, I reckon we could do with a flat category with all the 442 images sorted by number. Railwayfan2005 (talk) 22:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

Possible change to the title of this article

This article is currently named in accordance the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways naming conventions for British rolling stock allocated a TOPS number. A proposal to change this convention and/or its scope is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Naming convention, where your comments would be welcome.

The lead says that using the trains for an airport rail link was controversial as they were "not designed for airport rail links". Could we have some clarification on what this means? What is different about a railway that goes to an airport and why does it require a different train? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Trains used on airport services typically have extra luggage space at the expense of passenger seating. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:44, 11 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
But the Class 442s were extensively refurbished before being introduced on Gatwick Express. Surely this involved the provision of large luggage racks? I think the article may be wrong. -- Alarics (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I have added a BBC article that says exactly this. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, but you didn't cite the source correctly. I've done it now, but please note that news citations must include name of source and date of publication. -- Alarics (talk) 23:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

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New infobox picture

I've updated the picture in the infobox to reflect the fleet's current operator and moved the previous pic of the GX unit to the article body --- I understand that the picture is lower quality compared to the previous one, so it is hoped that a new, better quality picture will be used once the trains re-enter revenue service. Feel free to roll back this change if the quality is considered too poor compared to the rest. Supchppt (talk) 12:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

I've tweaked the picture a bit, hopefully an improvement. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:43, 16 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
By all means update this if you have a photo of an entire unit, but   this picture you uploaded only shows the first carriage. Per WP:RECENTISM - we don't need the most up-to-date photograph (otherwise we would be continually updating the pictures!) - what we do need is the most illustrative photograph. A key technical point is that this is a 5 car unit, so we need to show that.   is good because it shows an entire unit, there isn't a platform in the way, the lighting could be sunnier but it's not bad. A better photo is possible though. Commons, as usual is a source of mostly crap pictures with a few useful ones. Tony May (talk) 03:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I fail to see the relevance of WP:RECENT in this context. I do agree with the full-length point, but what I do not see is the necessity to pull another image from Commons as opposed to simply reverting the changes. In addition, many other infobox pictures do not follow this, such as the 377, the 378 and the 717. Lastly, I cannot help but feel the last sentence regarding Commons has no bearing on the issue being raised and is a thinly-veiled introduction of personal bias. Supchppt (talk) 00:33, 23 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Supchppt - I'll get round to fixing the others such as 377, the 378 and the 717 when I get a chance. If you can find a better picture than the existing one, please use it. Tony May (talk) 03:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yes, 378 had been vanitised by someone with a phone camera. I'll sort the others later. Tony May (talk) 03:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

We have some better photos available now including of the new livery. This guy really knows what he's doing: [1] Tony May (talk) 11:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

To Include in Article RE: Delays

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48295838Guyb123321 (talk) 21:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Wrongly turning signals to danger after passing them

This editbySavageKieran (talk · contribs) - and its sourcing - reads as if some journalist doesn't know how railway signalling works. The signals are supposed to turn red as the train passes, any other colour is asking for trouble. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Looking on a rail techie forum the issue seems to be that the return current through the third rail is tripping signal relays before the train reaches the signal causing the driver to see a signal go green to red ahead of him and therefore having to slam the anchors on. I'm looking through the railway press to see if any have a sensible article about the incidents. Nthep (talk) 21:45, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

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