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* RM, Ceratonia siliqua → Carob tree, '''No consensus to move''', 20 June 2018, [[Talk:Carob#Requested move 20 June 2018]]
* RM, Ceratonia siliqua → Carob, '''Moved''', 12 June 2019, [[Talk:Carob#Requested move 12 June 2019]]
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:Carob is ''definitely'' an alternative to chocolate. It does has a different taste (often more bitter), but carob is used in a lot of products where chocolate isn't wanted. They also have "carob chips" and "carob powder", used for baking. -- [[User:Macaddct1984|MacAddct1984]] 19:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Carob is used for diabetic chocolate, IIRC. '''[[User:illspirit|illspirit]]'''|[[User talk:illspirit|talk]] 02:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Why would Carob be preferred to chocolate during the "natural food" movement as stated in the text? They are both natural products. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.202.33.17|108.202.33.17]] ([[User talk:108.202.33.17#top|talk]]) 16:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Misc==
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After harvest carob pods have a moisture content of 10-20% and should be dried down to a moisture content of 8% so the pods don't rot. Further processing is done to separate kernels (seeds) from the pulp. This process is called kibbling and results in pieces of carob pods (kibbles). Processing of the pulp includes grinding for animal feed production or roasting and milling for human food industry. The seeds have to be peeled which happens with acid or through roasting. Then the endosperm and the embryo are separated for the different uses.<ref name=ipgri/>
[[User:Rueeggjo|Rueeggjo]] ([[User talk:Rueeggjo|talk]]) 19:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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== New information on agricultural aspacts ==
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* '''Move''' as per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] [[User:Biexx|Biexx]] ([[User talk:Biexx|talk]]) 12:16, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
* Yep, '''move''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. <
*'''Oppose''' per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (flora)]]. Did it escape your notice that ''almost all'' plant articles use their scientific names? What makes this one so special and why should it be at carob tree and not carob bush or locust bean? —[[User:Xezbeth|Xezbeth]] ([[User talk:Xezbeth|talk]]) 12:08, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
** '''Comment''' this is the common name for an edible and widely known and cultivated plant. Carob is the most common one, although I have heard of "locust bean". See the next comment for [[apple]], etc. [[User:Bodhi Peace|Bod]] ([[User talk:Bodhi Peace|talk]]) 16:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a [[Wikipedia:Move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section.''</div><!-- Template:RM bottom -->
== This article should be structured similarly to [[apple]] ==
It should be titled "Carob" and the first sentences should be "The '''carob''' pod is an edible fruit produced by the '''carob tree''' (Ceratonia siliqua). Carob trees are native to the Mediterranean region and the tree is widely cultivated for its edible fruit or as an ornamental tree in gardens."
The [[apple]] article begins "An apple is a sweet, edible fruit produced by an apple tree (Malus pumila). Apple trees are cultivated worldwide, and are the most widely grown species in the genus Malus." [[User:Bodhi Peace|Bod]] ([[User talk:Bodhi Peace|talk]]) 21:19, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
== Requested move 12 June 2019 ==
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''
The result of the move request was: '''moved'''. Most editors believe that "Carob" is the [[WP:CNAME|common name]] of the plant, and is more [[WP:CONCISE|concise]] than the scientific name. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> — '''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 04:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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[[:Ceratonia siliqua]] → {{no redirect|Carob}} – This is the common name for this common food plant. A very similar tree is [[Mesquite]] and that is even less well known. An argument could be made for [[Locust bean]], but I have noticed common usage and labeling going towards "carob". [[Special:Contributions/71.198.89.109|71.198.89.109]] ([[User talk:71.198.89.109|talk]]) 00:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC)<small>--'''''Relisting.''''' [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 02:55, 19 June 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Support''' per [[WP:NCFLORA#Scientific versus vernacular names]]: {{tq|Scientific names are to be used as article titles in all cases except when a plant has an agricultural, horticultural, economic or cultural use that makes it more prominent in some other field than in botany}}, as well as [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:CONCISE]]. Carob is a bit marginal but still sufficiently well-known crop to use the common name, and it also has sufficient historical importance. Most of the article is about non-botanical aspects anyway. [[User:No such user|No such user]] ([[User talk:No such user|talk]]) 15:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. It might be reasonable to split off an article about Carob as a cooking ingredient (a la [[chocolate]]/[[Theobroma cacao]]). Are readers actually being harmed by having the scientific name as the title of an article covering carob as an ingredient and the plant species? [[User:Plantdrew|Plantdrew]] ([[User talk:Plantdrew|talk]]) 05:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as more [[WP:CRITERIA|recognizable, natural, and concise]]. Also meets the criteria given in [[WP:NCFLORA]] for using non-scientific name (is of significant interest in fields outside botany). When the article title is X but the prose of the article overwhelmingly refers to the subject as Y, that strikes me as a red flag. [[User:Colin M|Colin M]] ([[User talk:Colin M|talk]]) 06:27, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom, No such user, and Colin M. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 11:16, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
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== External links removed ==
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carob&diff=next&oldid=983219452&diffmode=source This edit] was justified by [[WP:ELNO]] as low-value additional links that do not improve the article, [[WP:NOTRECIPE]] and [[WP:NOTHOWTO]] (Wikipedia is not a cookbook or reference book for recipes), and [[WP:NOTNEWS]] (such as the Australian link [https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2020-05-18/carob-boom-in-us-for-mid-north-south-australian-farmers/12258724 added here]). [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 01:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
== reference in conflict with clause referenced ==
From [43], concerning the theobromine and caffeine content of carob products, : "Theobromine and caffeine levels in carob products ranged from 0-0.504 mg/g and 0-0.067 mg/g, respectively."
This reference is cited for the clause : "While chocolate contains the chemical compound theobromine in levels that are toxic to some mammals, carob contains none, and it also has no caffeine, so it is sometimes used to make chocolate-like treats for dogs. [43],[44],[45] "
Stupid. [[Special:Contributions/172.243.144.242|172.243.144.242]] ([[User talk:172.243.144.242|talk]]) 18:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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