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Hmm, on reading the Groves article a little bit further, the "modern era" stuff here is probably nonsense (or at least pretentious); Contrafactum seems to apply mostly to medieval music and they use the term "parody" for newer stuff. I just hadn't heard the word "contrafactum" before, so of course had to start using it on familiar examples.
I'll research it some more and update the article, unless someone gets to it first. Phr (talk) 02:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Reply
I was reading up on the idea of Someday and How You Remind Me as similar, but I wouldn't call them the same song with just different lyrics. They have the same chord structure which is about what most music follows, so I'm not sure if this example is the best. Better examples include be Russians by Sting, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and the Alphabet song, and Beatles songs that were sung in German also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxophonemn (talk • contribs) 10:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Although the specific tunes in question are not known, it is pretty likely based on the headers of some Psalms that contrafactum was in full swing long before the Common Era, possibly as far back as the time of Ezra and Nehemiah. The notion that it began in the 9th century is silly; in the fourth century Ambrose was known for writing hymns to be sung to well-known Roman Army marches. --Haruo (talk) 03:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
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