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This article should be summarized in death and religious conversion. As a form of conversion, it could possibly be merged into the latter. I just watched my husband, both of us long time atheists, die on March 4, 2009. He was 41. His death was painful and drawn out. He never spoke of god.Trulynolan (talk) 08:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
Christian Orientation== This is all so opinionated and Christian-oriented that it's hard to take seriously. The topic exists, for sure, but someone needs to improve this and stand OUTSIDE of a particular religion to do so.
i love the fact that the 'variety' of reasons to convert are limited to a fear of hell or a want to go to heaven.
159.242.10.215 12:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
It is doubtful that Constantine had a deathbed conversion. While he didn't go as far as later Emperors would (e.g., Theodosius making Christianity the official state religion), he clearly preferred some form of Christianity (though often semi-arianism) throughout his reign. The reason for his being baptized on his deathbed (by a semi-arian) was because that was a common practice in those times, especially for those in, shall we say, professions that required getting your hands dirty. Even in the mid to late 4th century, Christians like Gregory the Theologian (Oration 40) were still pleading with people to get baptized early (Gregory himself, whose father was a bishop, only decided to get baptized after he almost died at sea). If a "deathbed conversion" is about accepting a religion/philosophy when you are about to die, when you had previously rejected that religion/philosophy, then Constantine doesn't really fit the bill.
Wouldn't the words "Father, Father why have you forsaken me?" indicate the possibility that Christ himself converted away from Judaism on his deathbed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.240.134.230 (talk) 16:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
Yes, but this is not what Jesus said. An more correct translation of his famous words『Eli, Eli, lamá sabactâni?』is: "Father, father, why glorifies me so much?". It's the speach of any initiate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.76.238.152 (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
The Gospels, whether you believe them to be divinely inspired or not, were undeniably written by human beings and are undeniably works of literature. Thus, they have tropes--such as allusion in them.『Eli, Eli, lamá sabactâni?』is the first line of Psalm 22, which thematically parallels Matthew's account of the Crucifixion. It is a literary device, don't read more into it than is really there.
The main article on Voltaire shows that his last words were "For God's sake, please let me die in peace", but this article quotes it as "This is no time to be making new enemies." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.38.225 (talk) 18:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
An more correct translation of his famous words『Eli, Eli, lamá sabactâni?』is: "Father, father, why glorifies me so much?". It's the speach of a type of initiate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.76.238.152 (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Reply
The paragraph describing the "disputed claim" of Sartre's deathbed conversion specifically states that it wasn't a deathbed conversion, and was actually just an expression of interest in the "ethical and metaphysical character of the Jewish religion...". Either this paragraph is biased in it's statement that his position is clear and needs to be rewritten or Sartre should be placed under the "Disproven" header. ThsTorturedSoul (talk) 20:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
As there's been no comment on this for over a year, I'm going to move Sartre, since it doesn't really make sense where it is. Eldamorie (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)Reply
I've removed the NPOV template, please use {{POV-section}} for sections or {{POV-statement}} for sentences, then detail issues here. This will help address them in a timely manner. On the matter of this being a POV fork, I disagree. If one is so inclined, individual stories can be summarized and redirected to the sections of those people; however, this article is the logical place to link to from deathbed and other articles. - RoyBoy 02:55, 1 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
"He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. We think the story of his conversion was fabricated in the U.S.A. The whole story has no foundation whatever.and was almost centennially made up on wikipidea."
This vandal cannot even spell Wikipedia.69.250.147.209 (talk) 05:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)stealstrashReply
Can someone shorten the ridiculously long footnotes? We typically don't put the whole text we are citing in the footnote itself. TIA - 69.157.244.158 (talk) 06:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)Reply
Gramsci must be removed. This an insult to his memory, to his family and to the man himself. This conversion to Catholicism is an unsubstantiated claim by one Catholic Archbishop. Even the referenced article cited on the page says...
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I agree there is mention of other reasons why a person would convert to religon after years of non belief. I am a beliver, however I have nothing againist someone not beliving, its a free country. |
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