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::Consensus can change. It's not uncommon to revisit a discussion from over 12 months ago. Particularly one where 'I don't like it' triumphed over 'multiple sources say this'. [[User:Celia Homeford|Celia Homeford]] ([[User talk:Celia Homeford|talk]]) 10:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Previous consensus was not the point raised or referred to. [[User:DeCausa|DeCausa]] ([[User talk:DeCausa|talk]]) 13:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
::::"This was already discussed before & the consensus was to ''exclude'' any surname" = previous consensus raised and referred to. [[User:Celia Homeford|Celia Homeford]] ([[User talk:Celia Homeford|talk]]) 13:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Celia Homeford}} apologies, I thought you were replying to me. [[User:DeCausa|DeCausa]] ([[User talk:DeCausa|talk]]) 18:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
::::Ok fair enough; thanks for the link. I didn't recall that there had been an RFC since it was a while ago. Just saw some royals' full names come up recently in the news. No problem. [[User:Titus Gold|Titus Gold]] ([[User talk:Titus Gold|talk]]) 13:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
== Main Photo ==
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This photo is on the Commons:
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Her_Majesty_Queen_Elizabeth_II_of_the_Commonwealth_Realms.jpg [[User:Waverland|Waverland]] ([[User talk:Waverland|talk]]) 08:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:I must admit, I have never liked the current photo from 1959 so I'd be mor than happy for it to be changed. Although, I must admit that the 2015 Photo looks better and should be reinstated https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_Elizabeth_II_in_March_2015.jpg [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 23:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::can we not open a new RFC to discuss this? [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 11:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's unlikely everyone's changed their minds after the very deliberate discussion that was only a year ago. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 11:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
::::18 months ago now, but I agree. Choice of photo for an infobox can be subjective, so I’m not keen on re-opening the issue once a consensus was reached. [[User:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz|Mr Serjeant Buzfuz]] ([[User talk:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz|talk]]) 14:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Completely understand that, and if a consensus was reached then that must be accepted. I just think that the photo of the 33 year old Queen is not a good representation for how the majority of the public will remember her, but as you say it is definitely subjective. [[User:Waverland|Waverland]] ([[User talk:Waverland|talk]]) 14:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::I completely agree with @[[User:Waverland|Waverland]], But I think it's time to open an RFC. I've never liked the portrait for many reasons (The fact that it is a Painting, rather than an actual photograph is one of those reasons). I'm still not budging from my original opinion (an opinion I formed 18 months ago when the image was first changed). And I feel like it should be changed to at least a Photograph of the Queen rather than a Painting [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 19:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::It isn't a painting. [[User:Tim O'Doherty|Tim O'Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O'Doherty|talk]]) 19:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::If it isn't a painting, then what is it? [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 20:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't know. I'm stumped. [[User:Tim O'Doherty|Tim O'Doherty]] ([[User talk:Tim O'Doherty|talk]]) 20:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Turns out it's an early colour photograph. But it also looks like a painting at the same time. It's so confusing [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 10:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::While i agree with you, it’s not a painting, the portrait of the Queen Mother is but this one is an actual photo. [[User:Waverland|Waverland]] ([[User talk:Waverland|talk]]) 19:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::So it's an actual Photograph and not a Painting? I've always thought of it to be the latter [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 20:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I’ve just checked and it was take by Donald McKague in December 1958, published in 1959. [[User:Waverland|Waverland]] ([[User talk:Waverland|talk]]) 20:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
:Pepper Gaming said:
::"But I think it's time to open an RFC. I've never liked the portrait for many reasons (The fact that it is a Painting, rather than an actual photograph is one of those reasons). I'm still not budging from my original opinion (an opinion I formed 18 months ago when the image was first changed)."
:Thank you for letting us know that you reject [[WP:CONSENSUS]] and will continue to raise this issue until you get your own way. Duly noted. [[User:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz|Mr Serjeant Buzfuz]] ([[User talk:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz|talk]]) 02:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
::The last RFC voted for this one by a vote, as I recall, of 16 to 12. A year is long enough for minds to change or new views to come from new editors. I see nothing wrong with a new RFC.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 00:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
:::+1, consensus can change over time. A new RfC would not be against policy.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 06:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
:We've already been through this, multiple times. The 1959 image is what got consensus. PS - I highly doubt you'd get a consensus to replace the image, with a portrait. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 10:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
::completely understandable, but I think you misunderstood what was being said. there was no discussion to replace the current photo with a portrait, rather confusion over whether the current image was a photograph or a painting. [[User:Waverland|Waverland]] ([[User talk:Waverland|talk]]) 15:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
:::All that is needed is the same level of consensus that got this on the page, that is a majority vote in a preference poll. [[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 16:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] Can I ask what you mean by "I highly doubt you'd get a consensus to replace the image, with a portrait"
::Do you mean with replacing the current (1959) image with a Painting/Drawing?
::(And to clarify, part of the reason why I was opposed to the 1959 image in the first place was because I originally thought it was a Painting/Drawn portrait [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 11:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::A photo is better than a painting. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::::I agree, I was opposed to the 1959 image for a long time because I thought it was a Painting or a Drawn portrait. [[User:Pepper Gaming|Pepper Gaming]] ([[User talk:Pepper Gaming|talk]]) 10:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
::::A photo is also better than something that's easily mistaken as a painting. [[User:Ric36|Ric36]] ([[User talk:Ric36|talk]]) 17:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
== Religion ==
Specifically Church of England. Any other Protestsnt would not be allowed. [[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:2605:E500:5C68:C162:D520:11FA|2001:8003:2605:E500:5C68:C162:D520:11FA]] ([[User talk:
:There is also [[Church of Scotland]] in the UK. <span style="font:'Pristina'">[[user:Keivan.f|<span style="color: #1E7HDC">Keivan.f</span>]]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>[[user_talk:Keivan.f|<span style="color: purple">Talk</span>]]</sup></span> 22:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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