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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2024 == |
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How come the pre-1644 history of the dynasty is almost gone and neglected from the brief lead?? |
How come the pre-1644 history of the dynasty is almost gone and neglected from the brief lead?? |
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{{tq|The Qing dynasty , officially the Great Qing, was a Manchu-led [[conquest dynasty]] of China and the last imperial dynasty in Chinese history. The dynasty was emerged from the [[Jurchen people|Jurchen]]-led [[Later Jin (1616–1636)|Later Jin dynasty]] established in [[Manchuria]] (present-day [[Northeast China]] and [[Outer Manchuria]]). It subsequently proclaimed as an empire in Shenyang in 1636, seized control of Beijing in 1644, which is considered the start of the dynasty's rule in China. The dynasty lasted until 1912, when it was overthrown in the Xinhai Revolution...}} |
{{tq|The Qing dynasty , officially the Great Qing, was a Manchu-led [[conquest dynasty]] of China and the last imperial dynasty in Chinese history. The dynasty was emerged from the [[Jurchen people|Jurchen]]-led [[Later Jin (1616–1636)|Later Jin dynasty]] established in [[Manchuria]] (present-day [[Northeast China]] and [[Outer Manchuria]]). It subsequently proclaimed as an empire in Shenyang in 1636, seized control of Beijing in 1644, which is considered the start of the dynasty's rule in China. The dynasty lasted until 1912, when it was overthrown in the Xinhai Revolution...}} |
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:Efforts had been made to reduce the length of the article (especially the lead), considering that the article was already very long (with a "too long" tag clearly shown). Also, regardless the start year (the minority view or the majority view, 1636 or 1644), I do not think there is need for the first paragraph (which intends to be brief) to mention the pre-events (before BOTH 1636 and 1644). Instead, the Later Jin dynasty is mentioned and explained in the second paragraph, and there is no repetition needed for the first paragraph. Otherwise, we can repeat various other events in the first paragraph too, which are however not intended for the first paragraph (especially considering that editors were trying hard to reduce the article length). The point "conquest dynasty" is valid, but such dynasties do differ from each another and there is a lot more to be said as well, including how Qing considered itself (which is certainly quite important), although such things may not really fit in an article which is already very long, especially in the very beginning. --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
:Efforts had been made to reduce the length of the article (especially the lead), considering that the article was already very long (with a "too long" tag clearly shown). Also, regardless the start year (the minority view or the majority view, 1636 or 1644), I do not think there is need for the first paragraph (which intends to be brief) to mention the pre-events (before BOTH 1636 and 1644). Instead, the Later Jin dynasty is mentioned and explained in the second paragraph, and there is no repetition needed for the first paragraph. Otherwise, we can repeat various other events in the first paragraph too, which are however not intended for the first paragraph (especially considering that editors were trying hard to reduce the article length). The point "conquest dynasty" is valid, but such dynasties do differ from each another and there is a lot more to be said as well, including how Qing considered itself (which is certainly quite important), although such things may not really fit in an article which is already very long, especially in the very beginning. --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 April 2024 == |
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