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:The first Qin emperor ([[Qin Shihuang]]) proclaimed himself as emperor of China after 221 BC, he was already a crown king of Qin state before the complete conquest of six nations, therefore the empire of Qin began in 221 BC pursuant to his proclaimation at that year. The imperial dynasty of Qing was started in Manchuria in 1636, it did not turn to an empire only after the seize of Beijing, they were not even in the same basis. [[User:Sheherherhers|Sheherherhers]] ([[User talk:Sheherherhers|talk]]) 02:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
::Whether the state itself was an empire or not does not really matter, and it is simply not true that it had to be an empire in order to be called dynasty. For example, the Zhou dynasty is considered a ruling dynasty of China even if it was NEVER an empire. Clearly whether the dynasty was ruled by an emperor or king was not intended to be the deciding factor of the start year, and one can indeed argue that the Qin dynasty started in e.g. 256 BC (when it conquered the Zhou dynasty) or even earlier (such as when the Qin state itself was founded), although historians usually date the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC because it "unified" China at that time. --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 15:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 April 2024 ==
 
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How come the pre-1644 history of the dynasty is almost gone and neglected from the brief lead??
 
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::https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvp2n341<br>
::https://minerva-access.unimelb.edu.au/items/e0b36c1b-bc50-439b-8230-25332e98f38b [[User:Sheherherhers|Sheherherhers]] ([[User talk:Sheherherhers|talk]]) 02:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
:::There are also numerous sources that do not agree with your claims, and just to list a few:
:Some trimming was done for the article due to its length. As for the year, here is a similar story: the Qin conquered the Zhou dynasty in 256 BC; the Zhou dynasty was NEVER an empire, yet it is considered a dynasty of China, and historians usually date the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC. Of course one can argue that the Qin dynasty started in 256 BC (or even earlier), but still Wikipedia regards 221 BC as the start of the Qin dynasty according to the ''majority'' view. And for the Qing dynasty's start, the year 1644 is the ''majority'' view whereas 1636 is the ''minority'' view, which should be acknowledged. Regardless of the views, the first paragraph already explicitly mentions both years (1636 and 1644); they are both listed in the encyclopedia. However, the first paragraph of the article intends to be summative and brief, and indeed as you can see there is a ''too long'' tag for the article (which you seem to try to completely disregard). --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
:::https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373214602_Structural-demographic_analysis_of_the_Qing_Dynasty_1644-1912_collapse_in_China
:::https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/blue-frontier/emperors-of-the-qing-dynasty-16441912/BC184988B943FED9846BAF0970225A99
:::https://history-maps.com/story/Qing-dynasty/event/Revolt-of-the-Three-Feudatories
:::https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv6hp2q9
:::https://asia-archive.si.edu/learn/for-educators/teaching-china-with-the-smithsonian/explore-by-dynasty/qing-dynasty/
:::https://totallyhistory.com/qing-dynasty-1644-1911/
:::There are certainly much more to these. Also very importantly, the year 1644 is also supported by sources from Qing dynasty itself (see below), not only modern sources. --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 21:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
:Some trimming was done for the article due to its length, and various other things were also simplified during the process. As for the year, here is a similar story: the Qin (state) conquered the Zhou dynasty in 256 BC; the Zhou dynasty was NEVER an empire, yet it is considered a dynasty of China, and historians usually date the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC. Of course one can argue that the Qin dynasty started in 256 BC (or even earlier, such as when the Qin state itself was founded), but still Wikipedia regards 221 BC as the start of the Qin dynasty according to the ''majority'' view. And for the Qing dynasty's start, the year 1644 is the ''majority'' view whereas 1636 is the ''minority'' view, both of which should be acknowledged. Regardless of the views, the first paragraph already explicitly mentions both years (1636 and 1644); they are both listed in the encyclopedia. However, the first paragraph of the article intends to be summative and brief, and indeed as you can see there is a ''too long'' tag for the article (which you seem to try to completely disregard). --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
:Of course how Qing itself viewed such things are also ''very'' important (instead of other one-sided stories or interpretations). In the "Chinese history textbook" (中國歷史教科書) approved and published by the Qing court and published in 1910, [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:NLC416-12jh005484-44578_%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8.pdf&page=14 page 4] clearly shows that the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC, and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:NLC416-12jh005484-44578_%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8.pdf&page=15 page 5] also clearly shows that the Great Qing dynasty started in 1644 AD, following the Ming dynasty that was established in 1368. These are the official dates from the Qing itself. Also, the late Qing history textbook "中國歷史教科書，原名本朝史講義" (also published in 1910) states in [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:NLC416-14jh007845-69291_%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8,%E5%8E%9F%E5%90%8D,%E6%9C%AC%E6%9C%9D%E5%8F%B2%E8%AC%9B%E7%BE%A9.pdf&page=15 page 1] that "The history of our [Qing] dynasty is part of the history of China, that is, the most recent history in the whole history. China was founded five thousand years ago and has the longest history in the world. And its culture is the best among all the Eastern countries in ancient times. Its territory covers almost 90% of East Asia, and its rise and fall can affect the general trend of the countries in Asia. Therefore, the scope of Chinese history actually accounts for most of the entire history of the East..." (本朝史者，中國史之一部，即全史中之最近世史。中國之建邦，遠在五千年以前，有世界最長之歷史。又有其文化為古來東洋諸國之冠。其疆域奄有東方亞細亞之什九，其興衰隆替足以牽動亞細亞列國之大勢。故中國史之範圍，實佔東洋史全體之大半). This reflects how Qing itself viewed the events, rather than how one may imagine or interpret the events by themselves. The textbook also considers the year 1644 very important, officially known as “本朝之定鼎” ([https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:NLC416-14jh007845-69291_%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8,%E5%8E%9F%E5%90%8D,%E6%9C%AC%E6%9C%9D%E5%8F%B2%E8%AC%9B%E7%BE%A9.pdf&page=64 page 46]), considered basically the same way as earlier dynasties did when the Qing replaced the Ming dynasty, whereas the pre-1644 history is considered the history background of the dynasty. --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 18:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
My suggested revision as follows:<br>
{{tq|The Qing dynasty , officially the Great Qing, was a Manchu-led [[conquest dynasty]] of China and the last imperial dynasty in Chinese history. The dynasty was emerged from the [[Jurchen people|Jurchen]]-led [[Later Jin (1616–1636)|Later Jin dynasty]] established in [[Manchuria]] (present-day [[Northeast China]] and [[Outer Manchuria]]). It subsequently proclaimed as an empire in Shenyang in 1636, seized control of Beijing in 1644, which is considered the start of the dynasty's rule in China. The dynasty lasted until 1912, when it was overthrown in the Xinhai Revolution...}}
:Efforts had been made to reduce the length of the article (especially the lead), considering that the article iswas already very long (with a "too long" tag clearly shown). AndAlso, regardless the start year (the minority view or the majority view, 1636 or 1644), I do not think there is need for the first paragraph (which intends to be brief) to mention the pre-events (before BOTH 1636 and 1644). Instead, the Later Jin dynasty is mentioned and explained in the second paragraph, and there is no repetition needed for the first paragraph. Otherwise, we can repeat various other events in the first paragraph too, which are however not intended for the first paragraph (especially considering that editors were trying hard to reduce itsthe article length). The point "conquest dynasty" is valid, but such dynasties do differ from each another and there is a lot more to be said as well, such asincluding how Qing considered itself (which is certainly quite important), although such things may not really fit in an article which is already very long, especially in the very beginning. --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 April 2024 ==
 
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Why is there very little information in this article about the structure of the government of the late Qing dynasty?
There should be more information about:
* the early attempts to initiate [[Preparative Constitutionalism|constitutional modernisation of the government]]
* the [[Advisory Council (Qing dynasty)|Advisory Council]] and the [[1909 Chinese parliamentary election|1909 election]]
* the [[1909 Chinese provincial elections|1909 regional elections]]
* the various governmental cabinets ([[Cabinet of Prince Qing]], [[Cabinet of Yuan Shikai]], [[Government of Zhang Xun]] during the brief restoration)
* the modernisation of the [[Great Qing Legal Code]]
* the Qing constitutions such as the [[Principles of the Constitution (1908)|1908 draft]] and the [[Nineteen Articles|1911 constitution]]
* the creation of new military academies such as the [[Baoding Military Academy]]
* [[New Army]], [[Beiyang Army]], [[Imperial Chinese Navy]], [[Beiyang Fleet]]
* the establishment of modern universities such as [[Peking University]]
* potentially incorporate information on the [[Manchu Restoration|1917 restoration of the Qing]] in the article
If I am asked I can write some drafts with sources for incorporation into the article. I simply would like to have more information about these topics included in the page, as the government section seems to only describe the Qing government from the 17th to 19th centuries.
[[Special:Contributions/142.117.70.0|142.117.70.0]] ([[User talk:142.117.70.0|talk]]) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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[[User:KielYam1212|KielYam1212]] ([[User talk:KielYam1212|talk]]) 15:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 
:It seems the substantive change is adding a second map. This is unnecessary for an infobox. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 16:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 
== Religion ==
 
How is it wrong to mention buddhism as a "Dynastic religion" or the religion "Followed by the emperors" when we see several Qing emperors following the religion? Also i see nowhere in the cited sources which specifically states confucianism is the official religion alone of Qing empire. [[User:Malik-Al-Hind|Malik-Al-Hind]] ([[User talk:Malik-Al-Hind|talk]]) 12:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 
:It's something you're elevating to an unduly explicit position due to a particular fixation you seem to have. I think it's silly to list Confucianism as an "official religion" as well, but it at least seems sensical to mark it out from the other members of the list in that way. What you're proposing is a much more artificial distinction between Buddhism, Taoism, and other threads of spiritual and ritual practice throughout Chinese history. It does not seem your interest is rooted in actual curiosity in Chinese history, otherwise you wouldn't be so insistent in treating it like it's a contest. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 12:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean here. The cited sources nowhere claims confucianism as an official religion, Yet it is in the article, Why can't we mention buddhism as a dynastic religion or a religion followed by the emperors when so many Qing Emperors followed it?
Moreover if Confucianism wasn't the official religion, can I fix the infobox then? It will do nothing except for confusing the readers.[[User:Malik-Al-Hind|Malik-Al-Hind]] ([[User talk:Malik-Al-Hind|talk]]) 13:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 
:{{talk quote|Why can't we mention buddhism as a dynastic religion or a religion followed by the emperors when so many Qing Emperors followed it?}}
:Why should we put it on a pedestal in this particular way? This is a novel emphasis on your part, which I'm sorry, is clearly related to your active emphases throughout your entire edit history regardless of context. It's clearly tendentious.
:Confucianism is basically a state ritual ideology, I agree with its label as "official" more than its categorization as a "religion". I don't have the energy to interrogate the best way to treat it in this infobox, but please don't touch it if you don't know what you're talking about, which you don't. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 13:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::My only request is, If Confucianism was not the official religion then please kindly remove it, And if it was then please provide the sources for it. Because the cited sources says it nowhere. [[User:Malik-Al-Hind|Malik-Al-Hind]] ([[User talk:Malik-Al-Hind|talk]]) 13:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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