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:The topic of this article is extremely controversial because many modern claims of sovereignty by the PRC and ROC are derived from arguments about the Qing dynasty's territoriality and suzerainty. POV pushing and sock editing were perennial problems before protection was upgraded and extended in 2021. <big>[[User:Yue|<span style="color:#757575; font-family:Consolas, monospace">''Yue''</span>]][[User talk:Yue|🌙]]</big> 05:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
== Start of dynasty ==
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}} [[Special:Contributions/116.50.207.23|116.50.207.23]] ([[User talk:116.50.207.23|talk]]) 13:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> —[[User:Sirdog|<span style="color:#058700">'''Sirdog'''</span> ]]([[User talk:Sirdog|talk]]) 04:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
== Please! Edit this template of the informations of the country in the page article "Dynasty Qing" ==
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{{Infobox country
|image_map2 = File:Empire of the Great Qing (orthographic projection).svg
|map_caption2 = Dynasty Qing Empire in the 1900 year.
| native_name = {{native name list|tag1=zh|name1=大清|tag2=mnc|name2={{ManchuSibeUnicode|lang=mnc|ᡩᠠᡳ᠌ᠴᡳᠩ<br />ᡤᡠᡵᡠᠨ|style=text-align:left}}}}
| conventional_long_name = Great Qing
| life_span = 1644{{sfnp|Rowe|2009|pp=292}}<ref name="StartYear">"Ritual Music in the Court and Rulership of the Qing Dynasty (1644–1911)" (p. 136): "[1636] was the start of the Qing dynasty, although historians usually date the Qing dynasty started in 1644 when the Manchus conquered Beijing and north China."</ref>–1912
| era = [[History of Asia#Late modern|Late modern]]
| demonym = [[Chinese people|Chinese]]
| ethnic_groups = {{hlist|[[Han Chinese|Han]]|[[Hmong people|Hmong]]|[[Manchus]]|[[Mongols]]|[[Tibetans]]|[[Uyghurs]]|''[[Ethnic groups in Chinese history|others]]''}}
| event_pre = [[History of the Qing dynasty#Hong Taiji|Proclaimed]]
| date_pre = 1636
| event_start = [[Transition from Ming to Qing|Transition from<br>Ming to Qing]]
| year_start = 1644–1662
| event1 = {{nowrap|[[Dzungar–Qing Wars|Conquest of Tibet,<br>Mongolia, Xinjiang]]}}
| date_event1 = 1687–1758
| event2 = [[Ten Great Campaigns]]
| date_event2 = 1747–1792
| event3 = [[First Opium War|1st Opium War]]
| date_event3 = 1839–1842
| event4 = [[Taiping Rebellion]]
| date_event4 = 1850–1864
| event5 = [[Second Opium War|2nd Opium War]]
| date_event5 = 1856–1860
| event6 = {{nowrap|[[Self-Strengthening Movement|Westernization Movement]]}}
| date_event6 = 1861–1895
| event7 = [[First Sino-Japanese War|1st Sino-Japanese War]]
| date_event7 = 1894–1895
| event8 = [[Hundred Days' Reform|100 Days Reform]]
| date_event8 = 1898
| event9 = [[Boxer Rebellion]]
| date_event9 = 1900–1901
| event10 = [[Late Qing reforms]]
| date_event10 = 1901–1911
| event_end = [[Xinhai Revolution]]
| year_end = 1911–1912
| event_post = [[Imperial Edict of the Abdication of the Qing Emperor|End of monarchy]]
| date_post = {{nowrap|12 February 1912}}
| p1 = Later Jin (1616–1636){{!}}Later Jin
| p2 = Ming dynasty
| p3 = Dzungar Khanate
| p6 = Kingdom of Tungning
| s1 = Republic of China (1912–1949){{!}}Republic of China
| flag_s1 = Flag of China (1912–1928).svg
| s2 = Bogd Khanate
| flag_s2 =
| s3 = Uryankhay Republic
| flag_s4 = Flag of Tibet.svg
| s4 = Tibet (1912–1951){{!}}Tibet
| image_flag = Flag of the Qing Dynasty (1889-1912).svg
| flag_type = [[Flag of the Qing dynasty|Flag]] (1889–1912)
| flag_border = no
| other_symbol = '''Imperial seal:'''<br />{{lang|zh-Hant|大清帝國之璽}}<br />[[File:Seal of Qing dynasty.svg|85px]]
| image_map = Qing dynasty in 1760.svg
| image_map_caption = The Qing dynasty at its greatest extent in 1760, with modern borders shown. Claimed territory that was not under its control is shown in light green.
| anthem = {{ubl|{{lang|zh-hant|鞏金甌}}<br />"[[Cup of Solid Gold]]" (1911–1912){{pb}}{{center|[[File:Gǒng Jīn'ōu.ogg]]}}}}
| capital = {{ubl|{{nowrap|[[Shenyang]] (1636–1644){{efn|{{zh|c=盛京|p=Shèngjīng|links=no}}; {{Lang-mnc|m={{ManchuSibeUnicode|lang=mnc|ᠮᡠᡴ᠋ᡩᡝᠨ}}|v=Mukden|a=Mukden}}; capital after 1625 for Later Jin, secondary capital after 1644.}}}}|{{nowrap|[[Beijing]] (1644–1912)}}{{efn|{{Lang-mnc|m={{ManchuSibeUnicode|lang=mnc|ᠪᡝᡤᡳᠩ}} |v=Beging|a=Beging}}; primary capital afterwards}}}}
| largest_city = Beijing
| official_languages = {{hlist|[[Manchu language|Manchu]]{{sfnp|Söderblom Saarela|2021}}|{{nowrap|[[Mandarin (late imperial lingua franca)|Mandarin Chinese]]{{sfnp|Norman|1988|pp=[https://books.google.com/books?id=wOPArZVCk-wC&q=official%20language 133–134]}}}}}}
| government_type = [[Absolute monarchy]]{{efn|Briefly a [[constitutional monarchy]] following the onset of the Xinhai Revolution in 1911.}}
| title_leader = [[List of emperors of the Qing dynasty|Emperor]]
| leader1 = [[Chongde Emperor]]
| year_leader1 = 1636–1643 (proclaimed in Shenyang)
| leader2 = [[Shunzhi Emperor]]
| year_leader2 = 1644–1661 (first in Beijing)
| leader3 = [[Xuantong Emperor]]
| year_leader3 = 1908–1912 (last)
| title_representative = [[Regent]]
| representative1 = [[Dorgon]], Prince Rui
| representative2 = {{nowrap|[[Zaifeng]], Prince Chun}}
| year_representative1 = 1643–1650
| year_representative2 = 1908–1911
| deputy1 = {{nowrap|[[Yikuang]], Prince Qing}}
| deputy2 = [[Yuan Shikai]]
| year_deputy1 = 1911
| year_deputy2 = 1911–1912
| title_deputy = [[Prime Minister of the Imperial Cabinet|Prime Minister]]
| legislature = {{ubl|{{nowrap|[[Deliberative Council of Princes and Ministers|Deliberative Council]]<br />(1636–1733)}}{{pb}}|{{nowrap|[[Advisory Council (Qing dynasty)|Advisory Council]]<br />(1910–1912)}}}}
| religion = {{hlist|[[Confucianism]] (official)<ref>{{citation |chapter=Living in the Chinese Cosmos: Understanding Religion in Late Imperial China (1644–1911) |publisher=Columbia University |chapter-url=http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/cosmos/prb/whatis.htm |title=What is Popular Religion |year= |access-date=15 June 2021 |archive-date=19 January 2015 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150119060922/http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/cosmos/prb/whatis.htm |url-status=live }}</ref>|[[Chinese Buddhism]]|[[Chinese folk religion]]|[[Christianity in China#17th to 18th centuries|Christianity]]|[[Taoism]]|[[Tibetan Buddhism]]|[[Hmong customs and culture#Shamanism|Hmong shamanism]]|[[Manchu shamanism]]|[[Mongolian shamanism]]|[[Sunni Islam]]|''[[Religion in China#Qing dynasty|others]]''}}
| stat_year1 = 1700
| stat_area1 = 8800000
| ref_area1 = <ref name="Taagepera1997p500">{{cite journal |last=Taagepera |first=Rein |author-link = Rein Taagepera |date=September 1997 |title=Expansion and Contraction Patterns of Large Polities: Context for Russia |url=https://escholarship.org/content/qt3cn68807/qt3cn68807.pdf |url-status = live |journal=[[International Studies Quarterly]] |volume=41 |issue=3 |page=500 |doi=10.1111/0020-8833.00053 |jstor=2600793 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20200707203055/https://escholarship.org/content/qt3cn68807/qt3cn68807.pdf |archive-date = 2020-07-07 |access-date = 2020-07-24}}</ref>
| stat_year2 = 1790
| stat_area2 = 14700000
| ref_area2 = <ref name="Taagepera1997p500" />
| stat_year3 = 1860
| stat_area3 = 13400000
| ref_area3 = <ref name="Taagepera1997p500" />
| stat_year4 = 1908
| stat_area4 = 11350000
| ref_area4 = <ref>{{Cite book |title=歷史與時事學法指導|author=王堅強, 陳家華, 王永中 |page=8|year=2018|publisher=寧波出版社|ISBN=9787552632859}}</ref>
| currency = {{hlist|[[Qing dynasty coinage|Cash]]|[[Tael]]|[[Paper money of the Qing dynasty|Paper money]]}}
}}
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[[User:KielYam1212|KielYam1212]] ([[User talk:KielYam1212|talk]]) 15:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:It seems the substantive change is adding a second map. This is unnecessary for an infobox. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 16:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
== Religion ==
How is it wrong to mention buddhism as a "Dynastic religion" or the religion "Followed by the emperors" when we see several Qing emperors following the religion? Also i see nowhere in the cited sources which specifically states confucianism is the official religion alone of Qing empire. [[User:Malik-Al-Hind|Malik-Al-Hind]] ([[User talk:Malik-Al-Hind|talk]]) 12:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:It's something you're elevating to an unduly explicit position due to a particular fixation you seem to have. I think it's silly to list Confucianism as an "official religion" as well, but it at least seems sensical to mark it out from the other members of the list in that way. What you're proposing is a much more artificial distinction between Buddhism, Taoism, and other threads of spiritual and ritual practice throughout Chinese history. It does not seem your interest is rooted in actual curiosity in Chinese history, otherwise you wouldn't be so insistent in treating it like it's a contest. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 12:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean here. The cited sources nowhere claims confucianism as an official religion, Yet it is in the article, Why can't we mention buddhism as a dynastic religion or a religion followed by the emperors when so many Qing Emperors followed it?
Moreover if Confucianism wasn't the official religion, can I fix the infobox then? It will do nothing except for confusing the readers.[[User:Malik-Al-Hind|Malik-Al-Hind]] ([[User talk:Malik-Al-Hind|talk]]) 13:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{talk quote|Why can't we mention buddhism as a dynastic religion or a religion followed by the emperors when so many Qing Emperors followed it?}}
:Why should we put it on a pedestal in this particular way? This is a novel emphasis on your part, which I'm sorry, is clearly related to your active emphases throughout your entire edit history regardless of context. It's clearly tendentious.
:Confucianism is basically a state ritual ideology, I agree with its label as "official" more than its categorization as a "religion". I don't have the energy to interrogate the best way to treat it in this infobox, but please don't touch it if you don't know what you're talking about, which you don't. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 13:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::My only request is, If Confucianism was not the official religion then please kindly remove it, And if it was then please provide the sources for it. Because the cited sources says it nowhere. [[User:Malik-Al-Hind|Malik-Al-Hind]] ([[User talk:Malik-Al-Hind|talk]]) 13:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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