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:Some trimming was done for the article due to its length, and various other things were also simplified during the process. As for the year, here is a similar story: the Qin (state) conquered the Zhou dynasty in 256 BC; the Zhou dynasty was NEVER an empire, yet it is considered a dynasty of China, and historians usually date the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC. Of course one can argue that the Qin dynasty started in 256 BC (or even earlier, such as when the Qin state itself was founded), but still Wikipedia regards 221 BC as the start of the Qin dynasty according to the ''majority'' view. And for the Qing dynasty's start, the year 1644 is the ''majority'' view whereas 1636 is the ''minority'' view, both of which should be acknowledged. Regardless of the views, the first paragraph already explicitly mentions both years (1636 and 1644); they are both listed in the encyclopedia. However, the first paragraph of the article intends to be summative and brief, and indeed as you can see there is a ''too long'' tag for the article (which you seem to try to completely disregard). --[[User:Wengier|Wengier]] ([[User talk:Wengier|talk]]) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
:Of course how Qing itself viewed such things are also ''very'' important (instead of other one-sided stories or interpretations). In the "Chinese history textbook" (中國歷史教科書) approved by the Qing court and published in 1910, [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:NLC416-12jh005484-44578_%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8.pdf&page=14 page 4] clearly shows that the Qin dynasty started in 221 BC, and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:NLC416-12jh005484-44578_%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8.pdf&page=15 page 5] also clearly shows that the Great Qing dynasty started in 1644 AD, following the Ming dynasty that was established in 1368. These are the official dates from the Qing itself. Also, the late Qing history textbook『中國歷史教科書，原名本朝史講義』(also published in 1910) states in [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:NLC416-14jh007845-69291_%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8,%E5%8E%9F%E5%90%8D,%E6%9C%AC%E6%9C%9D%E5%8F%B2%E8%AC%9B%E7%BE%A9.pdf&page=15 page 1] that "The history of our dynasty is part of the history of China, that is, the most recent history in the whole history. China was founded five thousand years ago and has the longest history in the world. And its culture is the best among all the Eastern countries in ancient times. Its territory covers almost 90% of East Asia, and its rise and fall can affect the general trend of the countries in Asia. Therefore, the scope of Chinese history actually accounts for most of the entire history of the East..." (本朝史者，中國史之一部，即全史中之最近世史。中國之建邦，遠在五千年以前，有世界最長之歷史。又有其文化為古來東洋諸國之冠。其疆域奄有東方亞細亞之什九，其興衰隆替足以牽動亞細亞列國之大勢。故中國史之範圍，實佔東洋史全體之大半). This reflects how Qing
My suggested revision as follows:<br>
{{tq|The Qing dynasty , officially the Great Qing, was a Manchu-led [[conquest dynasty]] of China and the last imperial dynasty in Chinese history. The dynasty was emerged from the [[Jurchen people|Jurchen]]-led [[Later Jin (1616–1636)|Later Jin dynasty]] established in [[Manchuria]] (present-day [[Northeast China]] and [[Outer Manchuria]]). It subsequently proclaimed as an empire in Shenyang in 1636, seized control of Beijing in 1644, which is considered the start of the dynasty's rule in China. The dynasty lasted until 1912, when it was overthrown in the Xinhai Revolution...}}
:Efforts had been made to reduce the length of the article (especially the lead), considering that the article
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