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:The topic of this article is extremely controversial because many modern claims of sovereignty by the PRC and ROC are derived from arguments about the Qing dynasty's territoriality and suzerainty. POV pushing and sock editing were perennial problems before protection was upgraded and extended in 2021. <big>[[User:Yue|<span style="color:#757575; font-family:Consolas, monospace">''Yue''</span>]][[User talk:Yue|🌙]]</big> 05:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
::Like most topics relating to China on Wikipedia, it is taken over by the Wumao. Notice originally the maps on this page were actually based off real maps, meaning the extent of the Qing, which in real history never included Sakhalin etc.
::Yet over a few years the Wumao took control of this page and have been colouring in more and more of the map, that they now have Sakhalin coloured in as being part of the Qing empire (which no official map ever has this, and the history of this island is clearly known and there is no Chinese presence even when the Japanese and Russian arrive there, only some natives who are mix breeds between Jomon DNA and Siberian migrant DNA who had a bear worshipping culture).
::But again, this is Wikipedia and it is prone to the lowest common denominator. That's why Wumao have a field day with it, they can keep editing things constantly how they want it, because they are far more numerous and desperate to keep editing things if people try to pull it back to something sensible. [[Special:Contributions/59.102.81.150|59.102.81.150]] ([[User talk:59.102.81.150|talk]]) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
== Start of dynasty ==
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