Talk:Sicangu

Brulé is a group that created traditional Lakota music, arranged in "techno" style or other modern styles. They attempted to raise awareness of the Lakota heritage. Can they be included in this article, based on their background, intentions, and so forth? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.149.252 (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

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The result of the move request was: moved. It was noted that, while both names appear to be in common use, Sicangu is the more common of the two; additionally, it was shown that WP:AUTONYM favors the move. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Brulé → Sicangu – Move to more commonly used name in English. Brulé is a very outdated French term. The Rosebud Sioux Lake overwhelmingly uses the term Sicangu when describing themselves. Alternatives exist with different orthography, but this is an English-language encyclopedia, so the most common term with no diacriticals is best, clearest, and not offensive or obsolete. Yuchitown (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

• Support - I don't think this even needs to be a requested move, should just move it to the common name.

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• Comment Would like to see citations from more recent secondary sources to confirm the common usage of "Sicangu". 162 etc. (talk) 19:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Sure. I add "Lakota" since Brulé understandably generated many French-language results. Google Scholar, "Sicangu"+Lakota yields 1,710 results. Meanwhile, "Brulé"+Lakota yields 789 results. You'll find many of the Brulé results skew older. Yuchitown (talk) 23:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  I'm actually seeing most of the Brulé results from sources written in the 21st century. It does appear that both terms are in common use. 162 etc. (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Certainly, it's not that『Brulé』is never used, but "Sicangu" is preferred, particularly by the people themselves. In Google Scholar, Sicangu appears 217% more than Brulé. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe, who are Sicangu, refer to themselves as "the Sicangu Oyate people". Brulé appears once on their website in reference to Spotted Tail; Sicangu appears dozens of times. Yuchitown (talk) 16:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

• support mostly based on WP:Autonym—blindlynx 21:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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