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Now that it has been decided to keep the 2007 Formula One season article, it is important to keep the information contained within future season pages respectable. I have removed M Schumacher from the Toyota driver line up on the 2007 page. This is complete and utter speculation. I would suggest we apply the following guidelines to this article and similar speculative articles in relation to F1:-

1) If information is confirmed by a team, driver or the FIA then it should obviuosly be included. e.g. Alonso to McLaren in 2007

2) If information is strongly hinted by those invloved and backed up with a large amount of media writing but yet to be confirmed, it should be added but with a * (* = to be confirmed) and references (and links where possible) given.

3) If information has sufficient back-up i.e. respected media strongly suggest it to be true, then it can be added but with a ** (** = Strongly speculated) and references (and links where possible) given.

4) If information is mere speculation in media and general gossip, then it should NOT be added to the article but discussed on this talk page with references (and links where possible) given.

Feedback/comments please. MonkeyMumford 19:21, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I agree. And I've removed the line-up table, because I think it's too early for it. We do know some drivers, but not enough. Wait until end of 2006 season at least, like with the 2007 season article. Manipe 21:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I've just reverted a batch of edits by an IP which re-added the table Jsydave 22:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just wondering when would the 2008 season not be concidered as a future event. Would it be now, that is 2008, when the FIA realese driver numbers or when the first car his the melborne track on friday prctice?Busubi (talk) 09:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At the first Grand Prix it will change to being a current event Madraykin86 (talk) 11:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was not aware that Renault had left the GPMA. Could you please supply a source to the story? I was aware the Renault are going to be considering their position in F1 every year from now on, but I never knew they had abandoned the GPMA. Manipe 15:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1139743296/formula_one/F1headlines/Renault-to-break-GPMA-ranks/view.html and Pat Symonds quotes in F1 Racing Magazine March 06 "We Have Come To A Decision about the GPMA And that is we are signing up to Bernie's Agreement"

Thanks Manipe 16:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be picky but I can't find the Pat Symonds quote in this months (March) F1 Racing. Could you provide more info and a page number? This is quite significant and I have not seen it mentioned anywhere else. The link you posted was incorrect. This is the correct one http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1139743296/formula_one/F1headlines/Renault-to-break-GPMA-ranks/view.html . This article is just pure speculation from Briatore. I haved changed the article back until Renault confirm. Also removed Honda and Toyota speculation. To my feeling, there is no point putting in speculation to these articles. It changes so quickly that we would spend our time updating content rather than improving quality.MonkeyMumford 20:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest putting all news and speculation in the news section of Portal:Formula One. Articles such as 2008 Formula One season should not really be used for speculation. Portal:Formula One can be used for day to day news and the other articles on Formula One should be kept for reference info only, not news. Anyone agree? MonkeyMumford 12:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with you there anyway Manipe 15:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What does MoU mean in the heading for the GPMA teams? Manipe 19:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Sorry, it means Memorandum of Understanding. MonkeyMumford 17:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With 2006 over and 2007 on its way, how long until we begin at the very least a preliminary drivers/team chart? We already know some contracts in place that extend into and through 2008. The359 19:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree with you! The 2006 season is over, and from now on the 2008 drivers table can only improve, so I would already add it to the article. It would look like this:

Team	Constructor	Chassis	Engine	Tyre	No	Driver	Test driver(s)
ING Renault F1 Team	Renault	R28*	Renault	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA
Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro	Ferrari	TBA	Ferrari	B		Kimi Räikkönen [1]	Luca Badoer [1]
						Felipe Massa [1]
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes	McLaren	MP4-23*	Mercedes	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA
Honda Racing F1 Team	Honda	RA108*	Honda	B		Jenson Button [2]	TBA
						TBA
BMW Sauber F1 Team	BMW Sauber	F1.08*	BMW	B		Nick Heidfeld [3]	TBA
						TBA
Panasonic Toyota Racing	Toyota	TF108*	Toyota	B		Jarno Trulli [4]	TBA
						TBA
Red Bull Racing	Red Bull	TBA	Renault [5]	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA
AT&T WilliamsF1 Team	Williams	TBA	Toyota [6]	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA
Scuderia Toro Rosso	Toro Rosso	TBA	TBA	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA
Spyker F1	Spyker	TBA	TBA	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA
Super Aguri F1	Super Aguri	TBA	Honda	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA
Prodrive [7]	Prodrive	TBA	TBA	B		TBA	TBA
						TBA

What do you think? – Luxic 19:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would not Heikki Kovalainen and Fernando Alonso have contracts continuing into 2008 as well? I also believe Spyker's deal with Ferrari was for 2 years. I'd also leave the "constructor" and "chassis" sections as TBA, especially for the non-factory teams because of the fact that they can buy chassis now in 2008. The359 21:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Alonso's deal is three years isn't it? 2007, 2008, 2009. Mark83 22:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't remember off hand, but I believe Webber's contract with Red Bull might go into 2008 as well.... The359 22:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is exactly what I meant when I said that "the table can only improve"! If you find the references, you HAVE to add further information. And we can also discuss the issue about the constructors and the chassises, of course. But first we should decide whether to add the chart to the article or wait a little longer. – Luxic 12:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Might I suggest we try to fill it out a bit and then add it. On the other hand if we add it now it might give us all a collective hurry up to get it filled out a bit better? Mark83 20:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To fill it out is obiouvsly our primary target (even though the table hasn't been added to the article yet). But we still have to decide whether to add it or not. What about a poll? – Luxic 10:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The main article has a "full" driver lineup for 2008! Where did that spring up from? I can't find any sources anywhere!! Lord Tau 07:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's been removed (again). -- DH85868993 08:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Has this sort of thing happened before, then? Lord Tau 09:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, about 5 hours earlier. -- DH85868993 10:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To bring this up again, there SHOULD be some sort of drivers chart on this page since there is confirmed contracts in place that go through 2008, so we do know some drivers and even sponsors and engine packages. However no one seems to have been able to gather the proper information that will allow us to build a factual chart (and not that assumed one that some anonymous person keeps adding). The359 19:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I quite agreee. Probably something like the chart immediately above this discussion. DH85868993 02:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, i believe Mclaren signed both Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton to LONG Term deals

RIPped 01:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Heidfeld on this list? He hasn't signed a contract for 2008 with anyone yet. Sausageman 00:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. The reference only says he's likely to continue. I'll remove his name. DH85868993 00:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone tell me why Giedo Van Der Garde is listed as a Spyker Driver when nothing was said ever about Sutil's teammate 99.247.17.188 —Preceding comment was added at 15:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here isVan Der Garde's website He seems to think he's apart of spyker. Busubi 21:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For Super Aguri 2008 Driver line up As a big Super Aguri Fan I can say without doubt that Sato and Davidson are not Confirmed for next year. The refferance in place is not official ie: super Aguri or the Official F1 or FIA websites. Busubi 21:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC

Kaz Nakajima confirmed for Williams 2008 drive Nakajima confirmed for 2008 so I will put Nakajima alongside Rosberg in WilliamsRIPped

Is it a bit too early to include Fisichella as a driver for Force India? I know there's a reference to AutoMoto365.com but there's been no official confirmation as of yet. Sausageman (talk) 11:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Official Formula 1 Website has published the FIA's confirmed list of drivers for 2008. I have now updated the Super Aguri section. davepusey (talk) 16:11, 07 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.148.180 (talk) [reply]

If a driver goes testing for a team does that make them a test driver? For example Sam Bird tested for Williams on tuesday. Now as far as i'm aware there has been no anouncement that he's on the books as a test driver for them but he has tested. What does everybody else think? Busubi 19:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A driver has to be on the payroll for the team in the capacity as a test driver for them to be listed. Someone who just drives the car on weekend to learn F1 or get a joy ride is likely not doing any setup testing for the team, and should not be listed. The359 19:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to remember that when the FIA announced that Prodrive was the 12th team for 2008, that at they same time they also named all the teams that had officially applied. The article currently only lists 4 of the better known ones, but it might be nice if we had the complete list? The359 01:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's more teams (some genuine entries, and some rumours added by contributors here) named at the Future of Formula One article, but it wasn't the FIA that named them, but F1Racing. (The FIA didn't because it would have showed how little serious interest there was.)--Don Speekingleesh 21:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's far too early to begin assuming on the race schedule, especially since you are placing in races that wish to be on the schedule but may not be, as well as assuming not only the order of all races, but also the order of where these 2 new races would go.

I think the drivers chart, shown above, is a far better concern for this article then trying to guess the schedule. The359 15:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about changing the heading from Speculated Race Schedule to something like Speculated Grands Prix?mpbx 06:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2008 F1 season make

It seems a bit silly to me including the race numbers only for Prodrive. Especially considering they're (a) unreferenced and (b) caveated. (Note that I understand that the other team's numbers are dependent on the outcome of the 2007 championships). I recommend we leave all the numbers blank (or "TBA") until we know them all for certain. DH85868993 00:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, especially with the message talking about the numbers if the champion was to move teams. Eddie6705 02:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As well as the possibility of having cars 1 & 2 (ala Arrows in '97), in the event that another team withdraw from the 2008 Season, Prodrive will move up two numbers on the grid. Anyway, wouldn't the last team in the entry list have cars 23 & 24 not 24 & 25? Whatever, if unreferenced and challenged (as this is) the guideline is it stays out of the article. AlexJ 22:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because the number 13 is skipped the last two numbers on a 12 car grid would be 24 & 25. --Don Speekingleesh 17:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My arse are Rosberg and Alonso confirmed with Williams and McLaren for next season. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.70.161.157 (talk) 13:08, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Alonso has a contract for next year, whether he stays or not is another issue.--Don Speekingleesh 21:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hamilton's not likely to go to prodrive. But every new team would get 24 & 25. If you check teams like Mastercard Lola, BAR and Pacific they all took the last numbers as they were new teams.Pattav2 06:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's no argument that the 2007 World Champion, whomsoever he might be, is not likely to go to Prodrive. So Prodrive's number are likely to be 24 and 25 (unless one of the existing teams withdraws, as mentioned by AlexJ above). But the key word is "likely", i.e. we don't know for sure, so listing Prodrive's numbers as 24 and 25 is speculation. And it hardly seems worthwhile listing the likely numbers for Prodrive when the numbers for all the other teams are still blank. We may as well just wait until all the numbers are confirmed and fill them in them. DH85868993 09:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prodrives numbers should be put down as 24 & 25. Because if we get it wrong, its not our fault. That template at the top of the page says that information may CHANGE as the event progresses.Pattav2 13:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Difference is, BAR, Lola, etc, didn't come in a year after someone was excluded. If by some chance Alosno/Hamilton do fail to win the championship, I wouldn#t put it past Moseley to make them higher #s than prodive. Until the official entry list is published with numbers, leave em all blank. mattbuck 13:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is an encyclopedia (i.e. a collection of facts), not a news site. If something is unknown, why would we want to guess what it might be? 4u1e 18:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See i was right all along about the numbers.Pattav2 08:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like a barnstar for that? Bretonbanquet 19:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But... I removed all the numbers until the FIA publishes an official entry list... mattbuck 19:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spyker was bought by Indian busnessman Vijay Mallya. Ive edited the spyker team part and put Indian flag and TBA. OK? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.29.63 (talk) 12:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inhttp://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/9/6817.html I found that Mallya has yet to confirm a name for the team or a 2008 driver line-up. So I removed the drivers put there —Preceding unsigned comment added by PS3 wins (talk • contribs) 12:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Although I agree that it's quite likely that the team will be re-registered as Indian, it's by no means certain. The nationality of the team is that of the national sporting authority it is registered with, and so could be anything (pretty much). It will I guess continue to be based in the UK and until we know the situation, I suggest the flag is left out as well. 4u1e 18:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After further additions of the Indian flag, can I note again that the nationality of F1 teams is defined by the national sporting authority with which they are registered, not by the team's ownership or location. All we know at present is that Spyker has been bought by an Indian-led consortium of Vijay Mallya (an Indian) and Michiel Mols (a Dutchman). Mallya seems to be the lead partner, but as yet neither the name of the team nor its nationality (currently Dutch) have been confirmed. Until they are we should not speculate in an encyclopedia. Cheers. 4u1e

actually now Vijay Mallya has said the team will change name to Force India F1 and the Indian flag, and Mol will approve of it 99.247.17.188

This is a quote from the official F1 site: Spyker’s new owners intend to change the team’s name to Force India for the 2008 season, it was revealed on Saturday. Indian businessman Vijay Mallya and Dutch entrepreneur Michiel Mol bought out the Silverstone-based squad earlier this month.

The new title, which is expected to be approved by the FIA next week, reflects Mallya’s previously declared aim of bringing an Indian flavour to the former Jordan team, which has undergone three ownership changes in the past two years.

“Having an Indian-owned Formula One team on the grid was something that was considered completely out of reach before,” Mallya told news agency Reuters. “This reflects the new India and new economic prosperity.”

The team’s new logo is also expected to include the Indian national flag within its design.

Spyker planning to become Force India for 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Busubi (talk • contribs) 07:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having the Indian flag in the logo does not give the team an Indian license. Red Bull Racing ran under a British license in their first year (held over from Jaguar), before switching to an Austrian license in their second year. As for the team name, wait until it is actually approved by the FIA before changing the article text. The359 08:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

359 is right - we don't yet know what license the team will race under. I understand there is some complication with India's national sporting body (there are two of them, one recognised by the government, one by the FIA) which could make things difficult. As we don't know yet, the Indian flag, no matter how likely, is only an assumption. 4u1e 19:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, unconfirmed is unconfirmed. I was editing to that effect but 4u1e got there first :) Bretonbanquet 19:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, mate! :D 4u1e 20:40, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The FIA have confimed the name change to Force India. As there is no mention of re registering as an Indian team, maybe the dutch flag should be put back next to the name.Busubi 16:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because somebody was brainless enough to put Alonso as being confirmed for next year I have removed him because it isn't. Whoever did that is stupid and probably Alonso-obsessive and wanting to defy people into thinking he's driving there next year. 82.69.113.6 13:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please be WP:CIVIL and WP:Assume Good Faith. Your assumptions as to the reasoning that Alonso was added are not necessary. The359 18:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, assuming we're talking about McLaren here, as things stand he has a contract with McLaren, and no-one is officially saying that he is moving. I agree it seems unlikely that he will stay, but stranger things have happened. Probably. 4u1e 13:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I placed an {{old fact}} as it is out dated. Please do not remove it again unless you fix the problem mentioned here. Now I would accept removal if someone posted his contract source and mention "Based on continued Contract" in the reference source. Sawblade05 ^{(talk to me | my wiki life)} 21:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sawblade I have added a reference from today no less. I don't see the need for "based on continued contract" because that's just common sense. Mark83 21:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC Sport site is reporting that mclaren will announce Alonso's future in the team in early November. Busubi 21:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neither current McLaren drivers confirmed for 2008 season, a word from Alonso's Manager is not guaranteed his seat, while offered a huge salary does not mean Hamilton will be stay. Also McLaren not officially announced the 2008 lineup, so why it can be put Alonso/Hamilton on the 2008 list? --Aleenf1 00:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the basis that it has previously been confirmed that Alonso is contracted to McLaren for multiple years, as is Hamilton. Until we know otherwise, this is the information we have. mattbuck 09:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also wouldn't McLaren Numbers be 24-25 because thier owner points were disallowed this past year, so I would think any new team would have a lower number? Sawblade05 ^{(talk to me | my wiki life)} 07:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

McLaren have the lower numbers because they are a returning team, regardless of whether they were officially part of the 2007 Constructors' Championship. Prodrive are a completely new team and so get the higher numbers. Even if McLaren were treated as a new team, they would still most likely be given lower numbers than Prodrive. There is no reason Prodrive would have lower numbers than McLaren. - MTC 08:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't McLaren have the numbers 3 and 4 for the 2008 season? i think it is done by the last season's driver's championship. this is why Fisichella is 3 in 2007 and Alonso was 1. so i think McLaren should have 3 and 4 for 2008. Kimi will be 1, Massa 2 etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wbnd8000 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's done by constructors actually, but champion always gets #1. I personally don't think we should have any numbers in there until they're confirmed by the FIA. mattbuck 10:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree wait, but i'm sure the numbers go in constructors championship order and not drivers except for 1 and 2 because the world champion has number 1 regardless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Busubi (talk • contribs) 07:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's easy to say who will be allocated which numbers, but until they are confirmed by the FIA, we should wait. But for sure Raikkonen will be #1 and Massa #2, with BMW 3 & 4, Renault 5 & 6 etc, with probably McLaren 22 & 23, and Prodrive (if they make it) 24 & 25. But we wil need a source before we can put the numbers in. Bretonbanquet 19:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The last bit is the area of most uncertainty - no precedent for what will happen with McLaren's numbers. 4u1e 19:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the numbers to the Ferrari. The number of Raikkonen should be #1, with no exception. Although he would not drive for Ferrari, he would still have the #1 car. So the Ferraris would get the number. However, at McLaren, Prodrive and ex-Spyker's case, I would not willing to give any number, because those teams' number still have to be confirmed. I think it would be a better decision. Raymond Giggs 09:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I suppose #1 & 2 are fixed, but still, we can't really confirm it until there's an entry list. mattbuck 09:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think a few people are confused with car numbers. Since 1996 car numbers have been determined by there constructor finsh last season. EG Sauber came fourth in constructors in 2001 therefore they are numbers 7 & 8 for the next season. If a team ends up being confirmed to race for next year but end up going bankrupt, folding etc before the season EG Prost, the numbers do not change. Pattav2 06:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The question is though, are McLaren placed behind or ahead of Prodrive? Since there is no precedent for this, you cannot say without a doubt that the numbers you have assigned are correct. They may appear to be based on past assignment, but you have no reference saying the numbers you have added are the real numbers.

To fix this problem, for the time being, I'm simply removing the numbers section from the chart. This should prevent occassoinal editors from adding them based on the past. The359 06:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason McLaren would be placed behind Prodrive? McLaren are a returning team (if not from 2007 then from 2006), Prodrive are completely new. I can't see any reason Prodrive would be placed ahead of McLaren. - MTC 08:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No documentation saying they will be though. So it doesn't matter if you can see the reason, it matters if you can reference it as a fact. The359 09:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should the 2008 car numbers be added onto the driver pages yet? There are a lot that can be filled in now if so due to driver confirmations and constructor standings from 2007. Tombag 23:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet. Nothing has been confirmed, and anyway, if Renault get excluded from the 2007 championship, all the numbers will be changed again. Let's wait and see. Bretonbanquet 00:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

whoops. sorry didn't notice that the numbers column was intentionally left out :)  - oahiyeel ^talk 13:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since Adrian Sutil appears in the drivers' table for 2008, despite the fact that he is in with a chance of landing the seat at McLaren, why is Heikki Kovalainen not in the table alongside Renault, since he too holds a contract for 2008? Surely if Sutil appears with FIndia, then Kova should appear with Renault?? Manipe 23:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently he doesn't have a contract. There was a source we found that refuted a previous one saying he did. mattbuck 23:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yes, you're right. I've since read that he doesn't hold a contract for 2008, despite me also reading elsewhere before that he does. Strange... Manipe 16:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing"set in stone" Chassis being enclosed although Mark Webber; in his position as director of the GPDA has suggested that Cockpit safety is paramount [1]. I therefore suggest that it go under a separate section until concrete rule changes occur.Thelostlibertine (talk) 08:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there's nothing more concrete than that story, is there any point in mentioning it at all for 2008? The 2008 cars will all have had their layouts finished long ago, they'll be into final manufacture and assembly by now, so no changes to cockpit surrounds will be implemented for 2008, surely? If they were, they'd have to be 'stick-on' units of the kind Sauber sprouted in 1994. Further work from here on in will be aero and suspension tweaks within the limits of what's already been designed. 4u1e (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The photos on formula1.com of the new F2008 and MP4/23 show the new raised cockpit sides (helmet area). davepusey (davepusey) 16:21, 07 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Schumacher, employed by Ferrari, as he is still a works Ferrari driver, FiA Super-license in-hand, this unique exception should be denoted in your Official Test Driver component, as such. That he can go to Fiorano, just snap his fingers, Ferrari will roll out an F2007 for him, anytime he likes, he should be shown as an official test driver in Ferrari's stable. Or, a special circumstance should be preserved, in a separate column, earmarked bay all drivers having tested for a particular F1 team, that season - asj.

Michael Schumacher is indeed employed by Ferrari, and of course still holds a Super license. However his employment position at Ferrari is not that of a test driver, although his specific employment position is not clarified. From what I understand, Schumacher has actually rarely driven the team's current F1 cars, and for that matter performed very few tests of the F1 machinery. It has only been recently that he assisted the team in an F2007 at Fiorano and at the recent group test.

I do agree that he is a unique case, since unlike the other recent drivers, he is actually doing some setup tests on the car and not simply getting a feel for the team/car or having a joyride. I believe I will actually bring this up with Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One and see what their belief is on this matter. The359 (talk) 21:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't feel he's an official test driver. He's only testing currently because he's one of the few drivers with pre-TC experience. mattbuck (talk) 21:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doornbos is currently listed on the drivers table as keeping his test seat at Red Bull for 2008, even though I can't read Dutch this is certainly what the citation suggests. However I was wondering what could be made of this: Doornbos in talks with BMW Sauber.

On that site a source is listed which is also a Dutch site, I was wondering if a Dutch speaker could read both the citation website and the BMW source site and say which seems to be more accurate. If this second article is true then that means that he does not have a 2008 contract with Red Bull and should be taken off the table.

Cheers! Tombag (talk) 16:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the drivers' table, Super Aguri are shown to have no drivers for 2008, whereas at the foot of the page, Sato and Davidson have been retained. Which is the case? --80.4.6.146 (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)db1987db[reply]

Looks to me like Sato and Davidson are going to stay with Super Aguri - http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/drivers/ Linczone^Talk/Watch 17:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, looks like it's been amended...--80.4.6.146 (talk) 21:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)db1987db[reply]

I amended it for consistency sake with the article. Let's put it back only when there are official statements. :) - oahiyeel ^talk 21:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Lets leave it until we have full confirmation. I've removed the edit on the Super Aguri Article - Linczone^Talk/Watch 14:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Davidson and Sato are official ... the team just hasn't announced it. They are official drivers for 08 though and both have contracts. If we are waiting for official confirmation a few of the drivers that are currently on the list shouldn't be...I say we add them now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter-27 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All of the drivers on the list have either been confirmed by the team or confirmed themselves as part of the team. We havn't heard anything from Super Aguri, Anthony Davidson or Takuma Sato. Until we hear from them we should leave it - Linczone^Talk/Watch 17:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I still think we should add them now, as we know they are official team drivers for 2008. They or the team doesn't have to say anything to the media. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter-27 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course a media Announcement will be made Eventually. Super Aguri haven't Confirmed anything about they're 2008 Campaign because they are Suffering financial Difficulties. Until we have Confirmation these are just Rumors. You could add this to the Driver Rumors Section of the Article if you wish. (Also please Remember to sign you comments with four tildes) - Linczone^Talk/Watch 11:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like Davidson is staying - ITV-F1.com - Linczone^Talk/Watch 13:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let Everyone know, we are not adding Takuma SatoorAnthony Davidson until Super Aguri confirm them despite the fact they are on the FIA Entry List. The reason being according to Super Aguri no contracts have been signed. Although it is their intentions to keep the 2007 drivers, they can not sign them until arrangments are made with the sponsors. Please do not add them until their contracts are signed and SA announce it. Thanks - Linczone^Talk/Watch 15:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Formula1.com has confirmed Davidson and Sato driving for Super Aguri.

Why does the Driver changes say Fisichella has a seat with Force India, the site automoto365.com is a site run by the company of nicolas todt (jean's son) though he might be a reliable source of information at Ferrari elsewhere it isn't too sure. can anyone clarify this for me RIPped (talk) 14:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One website claiming to have insider information is not a good source. Even if their source is right, it's not "confirmed" by the team or driver. An official announcement by either Giancarlo Fisichella or Force India is what we need. The359 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Force India will announce the Second and Test Drivers on Thursday 10th - Linczone^Talk/Watch 22:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

recently there have been many additions of car numbers to the table at the bottom of the page. As per previous discussions, the numbers would not be put until the FIA announces the car numbers. Should the numbers remain? or be removed? - oahiyeel ^talk 07:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd Remove them. No Confrmation of the Numbers yet. There are still three Unconfirmed Driver seats - Linczone^Talk/Watch 09:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed them again - except Raikonnen - due to Number 1 assigned to defending champion automatically. If defending champion would not take part in this year's race, there will also no Number 1 car. Raymond Giggs 09:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously Kimi Räikkönen will get #1 but I think it's best we leave it until all the Official Numbers are Announced. This is what was Decided at WikiProject Formula One. Adding one number will tempt IP Users to add the rest, and then we're back to square 1 - Linczone^Talk/Watch 13:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed all the numbers, including columns, in order to stop people adding numbers as they see fit. Until there is an official entry list, they should be kept out totally. mattbuck (talk) 14:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The FIA has now released the entry list - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64522. Madraykin86 (talk) 14:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Direct link to FIA: http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2008/January/040108-01.html –Fred Bradstadt (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I think we can add numbers now. I'm still not sure about the Super Aguri thing though. There has been no Announcement and that's very unusual. I suupose we could keep the SA Drivers though, this is the Official Entry list after all - Linczone^Talk/Watch 15:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Super Aguri are now saying that despite appearing on the entry list Davidson and Sato have not been signed. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64526. Madraykin86 (talk) 17:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thought so. We'll wait until Super Aguri confirm Sato and Davidson before we add them - Linczone^Talk/Watch 18:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since the FIA entry list is not final, Ron Dennis' comment that LH would be in car 23 is the more reliable source after all it's Dennis that gets to decide which McLaren carries which number. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.15.237 (talk) 13:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ron's probably right but we should wait until McLaren or the FIA confirm the claim. After all, Dennis was just mentioning it. The decision could still be reverted - Linczone^Talk/Watch 16:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

McLaren has confirmed their number indeed is 23. Their test car in Spain sports #23.