[[User:Ceplm|Ceplm]] ([[User talk:Ceplm|talk]]) 13:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
[[User:Ceplm|Ceplm]] ([[User talk:Ceplm|talk]]) 13:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
== Suggest dropping right-wing vs. left-wing dichotomy for proponents & opponents of National autarky ==
I'd argue with putting Fascism, State capitalism, Liberal internationalism under the "Right-wing" banner, and I'm sure there would be disagreement on others. Also, Nationalism & Isolationism aren't any less politically affiliated, but just don't happen to fall neatly on either side of the right/left, one dimensional economic/political model (or Democratic/Republican). I'm writing from a USA perspective; I'm not sure if right/left even carries the same meaning elsewhere. Does Wikipedia have some global ruling on political taxonomy? If not, suggest leaving the left/right terminology as a separate topic and within each subject page, and just list National autarky proponents/opponents. [[User:Deepfrieddough|Deepfrieddough]] ([[User talk:Deepfrieddough|talk]]) 22:54, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
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Not exactly what you'd call 'autarky' in the Eastern and Soviet bloc, it was more mercantilism. Khrushchev called it the 'specialization of the socialist bloc' I believe, it meant that each country would produce goods they excelled at doing, it was actually quite capitalist and based on comparative advantage, it was adopted after Stalin's death when the USSR was promoting that all countries should become an autarky by themselves.
Funnily enough, it was Khrushchev's demand that Albania become the 'bread basket' of the bloc that led Albania into autarky and away from the Soviet bloc, eventually leaving Comecon and the Warsaw Pact. Enver Hoxha believed that the Soviet plan was capitalist, and was the same as what the Western countries did to the Third World in exploiting it.
This is also very relevant, considering that the concept of autarky goes with the 'international division of labor', which autarkies tried to free their countries from. The basic idea is, you have the rich urban advanced countries with the big industry and processing, and you have the backward rural poor countries, which pull out the raw materials and make the wheat for the rich countries. I suppose you could call it neo-imperialism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.175.93 (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was mentioned in the article before, but a user removed it, stating "autarky was not a goal and embargoes were ineffective". I don't know what the veracity of that is. Korny O'Near04:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to prove, as most information on the subject of Nazi Germany's economic policies is for one reason or the other unavailable (it's actually hard to get any information on Nazi Germany that isn't a tertiary source or an unverified testimony), but I have seen many (technically unreliable) sources state that this "autarky goal" was more or less a result of the economic embargoes levied against Germany just prior to the outbreak of the war, which Germany answered by trading goods directly with foreign citizens instead of going through banks and governments (rendering most of their international trade effectively undocumented). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.162.0 (talk) 13:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of Soviet-style economies, didn't Albania try to be an autarky under Enver Hoxha? I thought I read once that their constitution once forbade foreign trade and they had to pass a special act of parliament each time they had to trade anything, but I can't verify this. They had certain strategic minerals such as chrome and oil and I think they were self-sufficient for food production, so, despite being a small country they could have survived in a limited way without trade. Zagubov17:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're on to something here. I did a quick web search - this article says Hoxha instituted something like full autarky (or "self-reliance", as they called it) in 1976. And this one says it was relaxed a little after his death in 1985, but didn't really end until 1991. Korny O'Near18:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to remember the other Eastern Bloc countries did trade with each other via Comecon and Yugoslavia traded with just about everybody. but that Albania was pretty unique in their commitment to self-sufficiency and it tied in with their limited diplomatic links and a command economy set at a low consumption rate. I heard their isolation was so extreme they only opened their (single) airport for a few days each week.
I don't have enough references to add this to the main article, but it looks like a good example of a modern(ish) autarky. I also remember that Rhodesia under UDI was banned from trade and had an extensive import substitution programme making it a closed kind of market economy. I'm not sure if that counts as an autarky as it was an externally imposed blockade.Zagubov10:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What would be necessary for a state to be a sustainable autarky? Is not the world as a whole an economic autarky? Is that sustainable? 168.7.251.8420:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)David[reply]
A state would be a sustainable autarky if it produced exactly the products it needed in exactly the amounts it needed them. It's certainly doable, but it's not efficient. Each state has things it's got a competitive advantage in - things it can produce more cheaply than other states (oil in Saudi Arabia, timber in Canada, etc.) The Saudis *could* just drill the oil they need for their own consumption, and try to produce all the goods they need, but this would be inefficient. Instead of spending a lot of money to try to grow lettuce in the desert, they're better off trading oil for lettuce with the United States - and the US is better off too. This is the basic economic argument that trade is good because specialization increases efficiency. So one of the reasons North Korea is so much poorer than South Korea is its unwillingess to trade and therefore the inefficiency of some of its domestic industries. There are lots of other reasons, but that's a big one.
The world is certainly an autarky because we don't trade with anyone off the planet. It is definitely sustainable (leaving aside arguments about resource extraction, pollution, and the like) - any autarky can be sustainable, it's just that autarky is not efficient if there are potential trading partners who have different economic specializations than you do and if transportation costs etc. are not too high. In the case of Earth, obviously there are no possible trading partners so the planet is by default an autarky. Fasrad19:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have heard somewhere that the Austra-Hungary empire (and before that the Austrian empire) was to large extent (approx 90%) autarky, which seems to me considerable for the economy of that scale. Does anybody more about this and could we get some real data and some analysis of the impact of it, if it is true?
Suggest dropping right-wing vs. left-wing dichotomy for proponents & opponents of National autarky
I'd argue with putting Fascism, State capitalism, Liberal internationalism under the "Right-wing" banner, and I'm sure there would be disagreement on others. Also, Nationalism & Isolationism aren't any less politically affiliated, but just don't happen to fall neatly on either side of the right/left, one dimensional economic/political model (or Democratic/Republican). I'm writing from a USA perspective; I'm not sure if right/left even carries the same meaning elsewhere. Does Wikipedia have some global ruling on political taxonomy? If not, suggest leaving the left/right terminology as a separate topic and within each subject page, and just list National autarky proponents/opponents. Deepfrieddough (talk) 22:54, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]