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::::::::I am not trying to imply that they are not Christians, in that they do believe in Christ. But all of their teachings are different than "just plain" Christians. The page implies that we do all the things they do - far from it. "Just plain" Christians do not want to be "accused" of doing things Catholics do and we believe to be sinful. We should not all be lumped together. [[User:ChristianLady5151|ChristianLady5151]] ([[User talk:ChristianLady5151|talk]]) 05:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
::::::::I am not trying to imply that they are not Christians, in that they do believe in Christ. But all of their teachings are different than "just plain" Christians. The page implies that we do all the things they do - far from it. "Just plain" Christians do not want to be "accused" of doing things Catholics do and we believe to be sinful. We should not all be lumped together. [[User:ChristianLady5151|ChristianLady5151]] ([[User talk:ChristianLady5151|talk]]) 05:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Catholics are Christians. SMH. Prots are so narrow minded [[Special:Contributions/166.181.85.58|166.181.85.58]] ([[User talk:166.181.85.58|talk]]) 01:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC) |
:Catholics are Christians. SMH. Prots are so narrow minded [[Special:Contributions/166.181.85.58|166.181.85.58]] ([[User talk:166.181.85.58|talk]]) 01:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC) |
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To {{reply to|Medusahead}}: Template:infobox holidays requires all holiday infoboxes to have a type. Is there a particular reason you removed "Christian" from the type when undoing my latest revision? [[User:Zoozoor|Zoozoor]] ([[User talk:Zoozoor|talk]]) 21:08, 13 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:(The ping didn't work): When I removed "Christian", the lines |
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:were written one below the other, which looked both odd and superfluous. This is why I removed "Chrisian". In fact I didn't recocognise this as a type of infobox but it looked as a type of feast to me.--[[User:Medusahead|Medusahead]] ([[User talk:Medusahead|talk]]) 09:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::I understand. I've added the longtype "Religious, cultural" which hides the type and prevents that redundancy. Thanks for replying. [[User:Zoozoor|Zoozoor]] ([[User talk:Zoozoor|talk]]) 18:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Easter == |
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What is Easter [[Special:Contributions/43.245.57.237|43.245.57.237]] ([[User talk:43.245.57.237|talk]]) 22:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Ishtar == |
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:Agreed [[Special:Contributions/148.252.146.210|148.252.146.210]] ([[User talk:148.252.146.210|talk]]) 00:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
:Agreed [[Special:Contributions/148.252.146.210|148.252.146.210]] ([[User talk:148.252.146.210|talk]]) 00:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:The possible pre-Christian origins would be related to the European Goddess Eostra/Ostara, and not Ishtar. <ref>https://factcheck.afp.com/easter-not-derived-name-ancient-mesopotamian-goddess</ref> [[User:Captchacatcher|Captchacatcher]] ([[User talk:Captchacatcher|talk]]) 01:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
:The possible pre-Christian origins would be related to the European Goddess Eostra/Ostara, and not Ishtar. <ref>https://factcheck.afp.com/easter-not-derived-name-ancient-mesopotamian-goddess</ref> [[User:Captchacatcher|Captchacatcher]] ([[User talk:Captchacatcher|talk]]) 01:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:No. Maybe the name and over the time some customs of different origin may have been incorporated. But Easter itself is biblical and was celebrated in the mediteranean (Palestine and modern Turkey/Greece/Italy/Egypt) before christianity came to the northern tribes from whom later the name may be transfered onto the existing festival. Also, not everywhere it is called Easter.--[[Special:Contributions/109.43.49.94|109.43.49.94]] ([[User talk:109.43.49.94|talk]]) 06:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Easter and Eostre/Ostara == |
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::This comes up so often that I wish we could add this to a FAQ. Please see the previous discussion in the talk page archives at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_1#Pesach_the_start_of_Easter?], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_2#Easter_a_Pagan_religion], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_2#%22Oestre%22_or_%22Hystera%22_?], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_3#OK_wasnt_EASTER_a_Pagan_Holiday_first?], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_4#Censorship_of_Pagan_origins], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_5#Pagan_origins], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_6#Pagan_Association], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_7#No_NPOV_Tag_Allowed_on_Article_on_Threat_of_Block], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_8#Easter's_pagan_roots]. [[User:Benwbrum|Ben]] ([[User talk:Benwbrum|talk]]) 14:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
::This comes up so often that I wish we could add this to a FAQ. Please see the previous discussion in the talk page archives at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_1#Pesach_the_start_of_Easter?], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_2#Easter_a_Pagan_religion], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_2#%22Oestre%22_or_%22Hystera%22_?], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_3#OK_wasnt_EASTER_a_Pagan_Holiday_first?], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_4#Censorship_of_Pagan_origins], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_5#Pagan_origins], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_6#Pagan_Association], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_7#No_NPOV_Tag_Allowed_on_Article_on_Threat_of_Block], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Easter/Archive_8#Easter's_pagan_roots]. [[User:Benwbrum|Ben]] ([[User talk:Benwbrum|talk]]) 14:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I don't know your protocols.
I am a Christian, and things mentioned on this page seem almost totally Catholic (and maybe some Orthodox religions, and Lutheran churches go part way on these subjects), but not Christian at all.
Most Christians do not celebrate Passover, Pentecost (those are Jewish holidays), Lent, or Ash Wednesday. We don't know Pasha, whatever that is. We don't fast, and we don't do penance. Again, these are Catholic things, which the Bible does not tell us to copy. In fact, we were told in the beginning to not celebrate days, especially not Easter or Christmas. (Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.) Instead, Christians celebrate Jesus every day.
It would be much better to just call Easter a holiday celebrated by Catholics and some other faiths but leave most Christians out. Even some of the pictures seem Catholic or Orthodox. Many Christian churches don't even have a cross so that we don't start worshipping that. We also do not worship Mary or any saints (we Christians are all saints). Christian baptism must be by immersion. Catholics stopped doing that hundreds of years ago because one man was too sick to get in the water. We also don't worship a pope nor confess to a priest. Also, the Church is the bride of Christ. That means Christians, not nuns. Christians and Catholics are like oil and water.
If you have questions, I am ChristianLady5151 ChristianLady5151 (talk) 03:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you forgot to add it’s pagan origins. This is 100% bias & should’ve been fact checked before posting. 2601:58B:4600:6900:867:6ADC:310F:8189 (talk) 03:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Indyguy, you deleted my sentence in the paragraph about pre-Christian custom because you said "...that theory about the feast for Eostre was put forward only by Bede with no corroborating evidence from other sources, and that it is one of several theories as to the origin of the name." I thought this was supposed to be an encyclopedia, and this seems an unbiased addition. The Eostre page contains arguments made by historians/anthropologists for and against the idea that Easter is derived from Eostre/Ostara as a practice or word.
Do you also believe this sentence on the same page should be deleted, since it is only one of several theories:
Or this:
Or on the Eostre page:
Captchacatcher (talk) 15:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The word "Easter" comes from the Anglo-Saxon spring festival called Eostre. Easter replaced the pagan festival of Eostre.