:I consider it to be an improvement to show the cast members in that section because it seems natural to do so.
:I consider it to be an improvement to show the cast members in that section because it seems natural to do so.
== English? ==
Hi, in the Criticism section there is the sentence "Greyjoy's emasculation was one of the only sexual assault scenes where a male was the victim". I'm not a native EN speaker, and this sentence has me confused. Is it the only scene, or is it one of the few scenes? If not, what does "one of the only" mean? T [[Special:Contributions/84.208.86.134|84.208.86.134]] ([[User talk:84.208.86.134|talk]]) 22:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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In the cast and characters section please replace "the tall warrior Brienne of Tarth" with "The lady Knight Brienne of Tarth" RoboJesus3 (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Tall warrior" describes her character throughout the fictional series. "Knight" only describes her character after one has watched S08E02. See MOS:REALWORLD for writing articles about fiction from the real-world perspective instead of an in-universe perspective.--William ThweattTalkContribs 18:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In several instances, 'a semi protection' for editing should be implemented. It is silly a general edit - for example changing a caption like "Peter Dinklage, Lena Headey and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau portrays members of the Lannister family: Tyrion, Cersei and Jaime." as the verb should be third person plural 'PORTRAY' not third person singular 'PORTRAYS' - cannot be made easily.
Done Thanks for the report. TwoTwoHello (talk) 10:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which season 8 episodes should we highlight in the lead as having especially received criticism?
As seen here, here and here, Hummerrocket and I disagree on how to relay the following text: "The final season, especially its last two episodes, received significant criticism for its condensed story and creative decisions, with many considering it a disappointing conclusion." While I think it should state "last two episodes" because it's the last two episodes with the lowest Rotten Tomatoes ratings ever for the show and that received the most criticism for the season, Hummerrocket thinks it should state "last four episodes" because "The Long Night was criticised for its White Walker handling, and s8e4 also received criticism for its condensed story. This is covered in depth on their respective pages. [...] as noted in s8e3 and s8e4 articles, they also received significant criticism and had much lower scores than other episodes."
My response to Hummerrocket's argument is that that the season as a whole received criticism. "Especially" should refer to the two episodes that were rated lowest on Rotten Tomatoes and are most debated. Going by some sources, one might conclude that "The Bells" episode alone is the most controversial episode in the show's history. Yes, more so than the rape of Sansa and the debate over whether Jaime raped Cersei. As made clear in the Game of Thrones (season 8) article, while a petition to HBO for "competent writers" to remake the eighth season of Game of Thrones in a manner "that makes sense" was started on Change.org after "The Last of the Starks" aired, it wasn't until "The Bells" episode aired that it went viral; that is when it gained momentum. A lot of momentum. People were absolutely livid when it came to Daenerys's villain arc, and more people than ever were declaring the show ruined. By the time the last episode came after "The Bells", more people than ever were pretty much over the show and were hoping that it would at least end somewhat decently. But so many people (most) didn't like the way it ended. And so these last two episodes are lowest-rated ones on Rotten Tomatoes.
Regarding the lead, another option is to simply not mention any episodes for the sentence. But, to me, we might be remiss to not mention those two episodes in the lead. They should also be briefly mentioned in the "General" subsection of the "Critical response" section. I realized that they currently aren't mentioned there.
After going through reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, and standalone critic reviews, it looks to me the specific criticism was directed at the last two episodes, specifically "The Bells". The first 3 or 4 episodes of the season did get mixed to positive reviews, as showed at Game of Thrones (season_8)#Critical response. The focus of the criticism of the final seasons lands on the last two episodes. Having said that, I am not opposed to removing especially its last two episodes from the lead entirely. I think we all can agree that the last season have significantly more negative critical reception than previous seasons. -- LuK3(Talk) 14:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the suggestion to remove this phrase from the lead and place it in the critical response section. Considering the season has only 6 episodes, 2 episodes is already a big chunk of the season, vs a season with more episodes (eg 10-15) this may be more appropriate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but final season as a whole was criticized (~58% on RT). Just my two cents! Hummerrocket(talk) 01:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hummerrocket, you are correct, the entire final season was negatively received, especially in relation to previous seasons. Flyer, how does removing "the last two episodes" entirely from the lead sound? -- LuK3(Talk) 01:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Above, I mentioned that the season as a whole was criticized. But I argued that the "last two episodes" are the "especially matter." That is because of sources like thisGlobal News one stating,『Game of Thrones fans have been especially vocal over the last several weeks as the final season of the show heads towards its conclusion. Fan outrage turned white hot after the penultimate episode last Sunday, when Daenerys incinerated King’s Landing — along with children and other innocent people — with her dragon, showcasing her descent into madness.』And sources like thisDigital Spy source states, "The Change.org petition was actually created following the events of episode 4 'The Last of the Starks', which ended with the death of Missandei (Nathalie Emmanuel), but went viral and picked up huge momentum after the divisive fifth episode 'The Bells', which was criticised by fans of the show for the way it handled several character arcs." It was "The Bells" episode that was seen as the last straw. But as is also clear from above, I suggested removing mention of any episodes for the sentence. So, yes, I can go with that for a compromise. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's correct as is; TV series don't stop being a TV series just because they are complete; they function the same way a film, book or any other piece of fiction do. See MOS:TVNOW. Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Adding cast members on the main page
Game of Thrones is a TV show with a large cast. However, it only has 40 or so series regulars, whereas shows like True Blood have over 50 series regulars and that show gets to have it's full cast of series regulars on the main Wikipedia page. I request to be allowed to give the main Game of Thrones Wikipedia page the same treatment.
Actually there are exactly 43. Which is why I said "40 or so". So what is the answer to my request?
I have no idea. This is a WP:GA, which indicates it's considered to be in generally good shape compared to articles that are not. Would it be an improvement to add X characters to that section? I don't really have an opinion atm, but it's not obvious to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I consider it to be an improvement to show the cast members in that section because it seems natural to do so.
English?
Hi, in the Criticism section there is the sentence "Greyjoy's emasculation was one of the only sexual assault scenes where a male was the victim". I'm not a native EN speaker, and this sentence has me confused. Is it the only scene, or is it one of the few scenes? If not, what does "one of the only" mean? T 84.208.86.134 (talk) 22:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]