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1 "effects in louisiana" article  
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2 Additional words for hurricane formation in sequence but in parenthesis  
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3 Question about records (Laura, 1856 Last Island hurricane, and...Camille?)  
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4 Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2023  
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== Videos that can be migrated ==

== "effects in louisiana" article ==



I'm making a draft about the [[Draft:Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana|Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana]]. It needs some help; will anyone help me with it? [[User:Hurricanehuron33|Hurricanehuron33]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehuron33|talk]]) 18:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

*https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=316930336052120

*https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=596180611057616

*https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=256356088653454



video2commons appears to be down, otherwise i'd migrate these PD videos myself! [[User:Victorgrigas|Victor Grigas]] ([[User talk:Victorgrigas|talk]]) 23:12, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure I’ll help and soon I might make a draft about the Effects of Hurricane Delta in the Yucatán Peninsula. [[User:Robloxsupersuperhappyface|Robloxsupersuperhappyface]] ([[User talk:Robloxsupersuperhappyface|talk]]) 17:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

: {{ping|Robloxsupersuperhappyface}} it will likely be a lot worse in Louisiana; I'd recommend a draft for that. --[[Special:Contributions/67.85.37.186|67.85.37.186]] ([[User talk:67.85.37.186|talk]]) 16:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Victorgrigas}} Great job! Just make sure they're not copyrighted and you mention the NOAA hurricane hunters. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 01:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)



Yeah I was just gonna say that lol [[User:Robloxsupersuperhappyface|Robloxsupersuperhappyface]] ([[User talk:Robloxsupersuperhappyface|talk]]) 17:38, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

== Lead sentence ==



== Additional words for hurricane formation in sequence but in parenthesis ==

{{ping|ChessEric}} Please stop changing the lead sentence to something so sensational, even if that wording is used by the NHC. This is absolutely not the [[WP:TONE]] we should be presenting in articles.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 05:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:According to the experts Laura is a sensational event --exactly the situation in which "peacock" is reserved for. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 09:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Rjensen}} It's the ''tone'' that is sensational in this case. I have no problems with saying Laura itself is sensational.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 15:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:::It is more violent than the Hurricane Katrina ([https://www.lastampa.it/cronaca/2020/08/27/news/l-uragano-laura-si-e-abbattuto-sulla-lusiana-piu-violento-di-katrina-1.39235888 lastampa.it]. There exists a metereological forecast saying that "with top winds of 150 mph, Laura is a high-end Category 4, only 7 mph below a Category 5 hurricane." ([https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/weather/laura-gulf-coast-weather-forecast-wednesday/index.html CNN.com]). [[User:Philosopher81sp|Philosopher81sp]] ([[User talk:Philosopher81sp|talk]]) 16:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)



Since Marco became the third hurricane of the season before Laura did, can I insert a few words in this sentence for a sequential hurricane formation but in parenthesis?<br><br>

== Imagery here ==

{{tq|The twelfth named storm, fourth hurricane, and first major hurricane of the record-breaking 2020 Atlantic hurricane season}} --><br>

{{tq|The twelfth named storm, fourth hurricane ([[Hurricane Marco (2020)|Marco]] was third), and first major hurricane of the record-breaking 2020 Atlantic hurricane season}}<br><br>

It's going to be a minor edit for that. --[[User:Allen2|<span style="color: #00f;">Allen</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Allen2|talk]] / [[Special:Contribs/Allen2|ctrb]])</sup> 21:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

:I don't personally see the need to highlight Marco there.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 22:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)



== Question about records (Laura, 1856 Last Island hurricane, and...Camille?) ==

* https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/floater.php?stormid=AL132020#homePageLink



{{ping|Cyclonebiskit|Destroyeraa|TornadoLGS|DachshundLover82|Allen2|Jason Rees|Hurricanehuron33|CrazyC83|MarioProtIV|Gummycow|Super Cyclonic Storm Corona|Wikicanada1127|Hurricaneboy23}} So I was rewriting the [[Meteorological history of Hurricane Laura]] to make it consistent with the TCR and came across this:

[[User:Victorgrigas|Victor Grigas]] ([[User talk:Victorgrigas|talk]]) 14:48, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

<blockquote>Laura was the strongest hurricane to strike Louisiana since Hurricane Camille of 1969 (which produced category 5 conditions over the southeastern part of the state).</blockquote>

Now I'm kind of curious. I incorporated both the [[1856 Last Island hurricane]] (which is the one we're comparing Laura to) and [[Hurricane Camille]] (the one the NHC is comparing Laura to) into the following sentences:

<blockquote>Turning almost due north, Laura made its final landfall near [[Cameron, Louisiana]] around 06:00&nbsp;UTC with 150&nbsp;mph (240&nbsp;km/h) winds and a pressure of 939&nbsp;mbars (27.73&nbsp;inches). The wind speed made Laura the first Category&nbsp;4 hurricane to ever hit southwestern Louisiana since the [[1856 Last Island hurricane]] as well as the strongest hurricane to hit the state since [[Hurricane Camille]] in [[1969 Atlantic hurricane season|1969]] (which produced Category 5 conditions over the southeastern portion of the state).</blockquote>

However, I'm still wondering about whether or not we should keep the record in comparison to the 1956 Last Island, the record in comparison to Camille, or both. For me, its '''both'''. Thoughts? [[User:ChessEric|ChessEric]] ([[User talk:ChessEric|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/ChessEric|contribs]]) 01:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)



::Both. Camille produced category 5 conditions in extreme SE Louisiana in unpopulated territory even though there is no listed landfall. Although an argument could be made that it was a landfall on some of the Chandeleur Islands and marshy St. Bernard Parish islands which are all marshlands, it's not listed as such in HURDAT2. [[User:CrazyC83|CrazyC83]] ([[User talk:CrazyC83|talk]]) 03:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

== Should we change the Category from 1 to 4? ==

:::I feel that the comparison to the 1856 hurricane is trivial and misleading, as you are saying that no other tropical cyclones have impacted the Southwestern Louisana while at Cat 4 intensity since 1856. That means for example that Katrina did not impact Louisana before it made landfall on August 29, 2005 even though it was a Cat 4 barely 5 hours before its first landfall on Lousiana. As a result, I would vote for the strongest tropical cyclone option as it seems more reliable and has not been made up by the media.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 15:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

::::Katrina was a cat 3 though at landfall/impact (HURDAT has it at LA3), so it was weaker anyway. The last cat 4 in the state was Betsy but that was at the low end of the category (130 mph vs. 150 mph for Laura). [[User:CrazyC83|CrazyC83]] ([[User talk:CrazyC83|talk]]) 05:38, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|CrazyC83}} I'm surprised that I have to say this but we don't define impact as when a system made landfall, since there are so many systems that don't make landfall but still impact land by producing rain etc. As a result, Katrina might have been a C3 at landfall at 11:10 on August 29, but it almost certainly impacted the state while a C4 if not a C5 during August 29. Also, you introducing Betsy to the mix as supposedly the last C4 to impact the state, just shows how poor, trivial and misleading the 1856 record is imo.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 09:45, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

::::::Just a note on this topic: the NHC said that Katrina hit Louisiana as a Cat 3. However, they also said cat 4 winds impacted the state before it weakened to cat 3 status.[[User:ChessEric|ChessEric]] ([[User talk:ChessEric|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/ChessEric|contribs]]) 19:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::::At the end of the day {{ping|ChessEric}} NHC are wrong if they are saying that Katrina hit Louisana as a Cat 3 unless they are referring to its landfall, unless of course the impacts before the landfall on August 29 at 11:10 amazingly don't count. There is a reason why NHC arent shouting about Laura's so called record :)[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 21:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

::::::::{{ping|Jason Rees}} I gotcha. And yes, I was referring to the Cat 3 landfall. The max winds in Louisiana were briefly Cat 4, which the NHC acknowledged.[[User:ChessEric|ChessEric]] ([[User talk:ChessEric|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/ChessEric|contribs]]) 03:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::::::{{Ping|ChessEric}} At the end of the day, Katrina may not have made landfall as a Cat 4, but it still hit/impacted SW Louisana as a Cat 4/5 before making landfall. As a result, I am convinced that the record is misleading and thus am tempted to remove it.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 18:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

::::::::::{{Ping|Jason Rees}} I'm not so sure about that one. The storm was borderline Cat 4 on its approach to Louisiana and I HIGHLY doubt there being Cat 5 winds there. Seems a bit too high imo. [[User:ChessEric|ChessEric]] ([[User talk:ChessEric|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/ChessEric|contribs]]) 19:42, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

::::::::::{{Ping|ChessEric}} Let me make it as clear as I can for you: The record we are talking about states that Laura was the first Category 4 hurricane to hit SW Louisana since 1856. However, unless the impacts that Katrina caused in the 12 hours before it made landfall don't count, the system hit/impacted SW Louisana as a Category 4 if not a 5. If they don't count I would like to know why as on Wiki the term hit is used in place of impacted as far as I know, since tropical cyclones don't always make landfall on an island nation, but still hit them with gale-force winds, heavy rainfall etc even when they pass offshore. As a result, I am even more convinced that the record is misleading and am extremely tempted to remove it.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 20:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

{{outdent}}{{Ping|Jason Rees}} Ahhhhhh...I get it now. Thanks for the clarification. Question: would you remove both records or just one of them? [[User:ChessEric|ChessEric]] ([[User talk:ChessEric|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/ChessEric|contribs]]) 21:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

:{{Ping|ChessEric}} The only record that needs to go is the one that says "Laura [was] the first Category 4 hurricane to ever hit southwestern Louisiana since the 1856 Last Island hurricane" as I believe that the other one makes more sense and is directly backed up by NHC.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 21:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

::{{ping|Jason Rees}} Gotcha. I would be fine with that. Additionally, an EXACT definition of what part of Louisiana are in the southwestern part of the state is IMPOSSIBLE to make imo. [[User:ChessEric|ChessEric]] ([[User talk:ChessEric|talk]] <b>·</b> [[Special:Contribs/ChessEric|contribs]]) 22:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)



== Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2023 ==

I got some reliable source form [https://www.cbs46.com/hurricane-laura-makes-landfall-as-category-4-storm/video_adb20a8c-b367-56a5-92c7-ade8656d0d95.html CBS] and others that Laura is a Category 4 Hurricane but why isn't it changed in the infobox yet even though the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Laura&diff=975188304&oldid=975188016&diffmode=visual contributors] mentioned it in the body. Is there a reason? Should we change it? [[User:Kartsriv|Call me Karthik 😉🤞]] ([[User talk:Kartsriv#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kartsriv|contribs]]) 15:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Kartsriv}} That infobox shows the '''current''' storm status. It ''was'' a Category 4 hurricane but isn't anymore.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 15:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Jasper Deng}} What about this [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/hurricane-laura-updates-louisiana-texas/ Article]? Is the current data outdated? Thanks [[User:Kartsriv|Call me Karthik 😉🤞]] ([[User talk:Kartsriv#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kartsriv|contribs]]) 15:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Kartsriv}} It hit as a cat 4, but has since weakened. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 16:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Destroyeraa}} But the articles I mentioned are posted hardly minutes ago... Maybe be the Hurricane has regained its strength!? Not an expert when it comes to geographical stuff rather just a nice guy trying to provide accurate information to people. [[User:Kartsriv|Call me Karthik 😉🤞]] ([[User talk:Kartsriv#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kartsriv|contribs]])



{{edit semi-protected|Hurricane Laura|answered=y}}

:::{{Ping|Kartsriv}} For Wikipedia's purposes, the data for the intensity of the hurricane/tropical cyclone always comes from the [https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ NHC] or other such [[RSMC|RSMC/TCWC]], not news articles which maybe outdated or talking in the past tense when being published. At the moment, NHC is saying that Laura has weakened from a Category 4 at its peak intensity into a tropical storm and is forecasting it to continue weakening - as a result, there is practically no chance of Laura regaining its strength as a Category 4 hurricane. Hope this helps. :) [[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 17:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add under preparations that an Angels-Astros game was postponed due to the weather. Source: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29739023/angels-astros-game-wednesday-postponed-hurricane-laura-approaches [[Special:Contributions/152.179.246.14|152.179.246.14]] ([[User talk:152.179.246.14|talk]]) 09:53, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

::::{{Ping|Jason Rees}} Thank you for clarifying this. I actually learned something today. Here after will follow the NHC for similar events. [[User:Kartsriv|Call me Karthik 😉🤞]] ([[User talk:Kartsriv#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kartsriv|contribs]])



:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] [[Special:Contributions/Xan747|✈️]] [[User talk:Xan747|🧑‍✈️]] 22:42, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

==Pre-emptive Downgrade==


As of 17:41 UTC someone has 'downgraded' Laura to a Tropical Storm in the article. The BBC are still reporting it as Category 2 and NOAA are listing it as a hurricane. It seems that someone has been foolish, given that accurate information on the status of Laura is important to people in northern Louisiana. [[User:Stub Mandrel|Stub Mandrel]] ([[User talk:Stub Mandrel|talk]]) 17:43, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Stub Mandrel}} Most news articles take time to catch up to the NHC. At 12:00 CDT, the NHC downgraded Laura to a Tropical Storm. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 17:47, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Stub Mandrel}} As noted above, we take the information for the hurricane intensity on Wikipedia from the US [https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ National Hurricane Center] (Which is a part of NOAA) and other [[RSMC|RSMC/TCWC's]] directly rather than news reports like the BBC.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 17:51, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Stub Mandrel}}{{ping|Destroyeraa}}{{ping|Jason Rees}} I'm sorry, but I'm appalled by your comment of me being "foolish." I use ONLY the NHC, CPHC, and JTWC for ACCURATE information on ALL tropical cyclones. So for you to say that I'm "foolishly" adding in information when this article and the section for it on the main hurricane season page has been vandalized NUMEROUS times and all I've been doing is adding reliable information with sources EVERY SINGLE TIME is VERY offensive and I'd like an apology.[[User:ChessEric|ChessEric]] ([[User talk:ChessEric|talk]]) 21:47, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


== "this is what it should say" ==


I can't figure out why the article says this at the top but this is the edit that introduced it: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hurricane_Laura&diff=next&oldid=974613339 . Someone who knows how should remove this. [[User:Baldersmash|Baldersmash]] ([[User talk:Baldersmash|talk]]) 19:43, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Baldersmash}} Laura’s still active. {{u|ChessEric}} added a template that says that this is a current event. Do not remove until the storm dissipated. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 21:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


Section Impact - United States - Louisiana begins with a srange word: umerous (sic). Please, fix this. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/190.6.89.97|190.6.89.97]] ([[User talk:190.6.89.97#top|talk]]) 15:34, 28 August 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{ping|190.6.89.97}} Should be fixed now. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 17:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


== Louisiana & Katrina ==


Hi. Good work. Just wondering about why Katrina isn't on the US list of '''strongest landfall tropical cyclones''' for Louisiana. Thanks. [[User:Pasdecomplot|Pasdecomplot]] ([[User talk:Pasdecomplot|talk]]) 12:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


:{{re|Pasdecomplot}} it definitely is, Katrina is top of the list for landfalling TCs in Louisiana when looking at [https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1298866475998908416 minimum pressure], and tied for fifth in terms of [https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1298870229796151296 1-minute sustained winds]. For comparison, Laura is fourth for pressure and tied for first for winds. ~&nbsp;[[User:KN2731|KN2731]] <small>{[[User talk:KN2731|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/KN2731|contribs]]}</small> 14:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


::{{re|KN2731}} I was referring to an excel chart with a list of historical cyclones. Doesn't seem to be in the article now. No worries. Thanks for responding.[[User:Pasdecomplot|Pasdecomplot]]11:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


== Meteorological history article ==


Hey there. I just created a draft - [[Draft:Meteorological history of Hurricane Laura]], since some users had an incentive to create such an article. It's gonna take some time to finish it, and by the time it's finished, Laura would've dissipated. Therefore, it's written not in the present tense (Laura is a currently active tropical depression that is affecting...) but in the past tense (Laura was the a deadly tropical cyclone that is tied for the record of the strongest landfalling hurricane in Louisiana...) - something like that. Anyone good at writing met history articles? '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 16:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

:I am! Can I help? [[User:Hurricanehuron33|Hurricanehuron33]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehuron33|talk]]) 21:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Hurricanehuron33}} Of course you can help! It will be appreciated by the community. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 23:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


:{{re|Destroyeraa}} I'd advise to build the article slowly so as not to create more work for yourself down the road, since it'll likely require significant revision once NHC releases their tropical cyclone report some time next year, but don't let this stop you from finishing it if you happen to find enough momentum. ~&nbsp;[[User:KN2731|KN2731]] <small>{[[User talk:KN2731|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/KN2731|contribs]]}</small> 10:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|KN2731}} Yes, I’ve thought about that, but the MH section in the TCR only requires some revision of the draft. Just some pressure fixes, time fixes, and wind speed fixes won’t be too much of a problem. Getting the basic structure down currently. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 15:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

:::I just rewrite the entire met hist and I don't really think it needs or can support a sub-article at this point. The only real period of note is the two days it spent over the Gulf, but info from the NHC is surprisingly bland. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 20:31, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Cyclonebiskit}} As KN said, maybe we should wait until the TCR comes out? I think for such a powerful storm as Laura, it really deserves a MH article. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 22:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


== Link to Hurricane Marco and Preparations ==


Should we remove the link to [[Hurricane Marco#Preparations]]? Though at a point, both Laura and Marco were to hit as hurricanes, but Marco eventually degenerated into a weak tropical storm when it made landfall. It literally did nothing, and the preparations for Marco were less than impressive. Unlike Laura, the National Guard, state troopers, and evacuation crews were not initiated. Evacuation was only mandatory in a few counties in Mississippi, compared to most of southern Louisiana, southwestern Texas, and western Mississippi was evacuated due to Laura. What do you guys think? Oppose? Support? Comment? '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 00:41, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


== Damages ==


Hi:


Just found this link to a first estimation of the insured damages in the US, excluding Puerto Rio, at 8 to 12 billions $US: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/business/hurricane-laura-economic-impact/index.html


[[User:Pierre cb|Pierre cb]] ([[User talk:Pierre cb|talk]]) 03:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Pierre cb}} For damages, we need an exact estimate, such as $10 million, not a rough estimate of $8-12 million, as I explained to {{u|Dannisom}}. Damage isn't done yet, so we need to wait at least another week until AON or KarenCo gives their estimates. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 13:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

:The $8 to 12 billion damage total is already in the article. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 14:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Hurricanehink|Pierre cb}} As with Isaias, the rough estimate given (for Isaias) came out a two or three days after the storm hit. It was estimated at $1-12 billion in damages. The actual estimate - $4.2 billion - came out 1 to 2 weeks after the storm hit. Will probably wait until an exact estimate for Laura, though it can take weeks. Though you can keep the >$8 billion, though it is vague and unspecific, and will probably need AON or KarenCo to give the specifics. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 16:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


Oh ok also can i add the Wettest known hurricane to striem Haiti because laura was 7th wettest [[User:Dannisom|Dannisom]] ([[User talk:Dannisom|talk]]) 16:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

::I agree that estimates should be a specific number and we should wait until we have more solid figures. As the flooding goes down insurance companies will go in and do actual assessments, and as a result, we will have better numbers. In regards to the wettest storm question, so long as it is sourced and cited correctly, I don't have an issue with this update. [[User:Jurisdicta|Jurisdicta]] ([[User talk:Jurisdicta|talk]]) 16:53, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


The Fort Polk radar was not destroyed, please update the article. See source: https://www.facebook.com/NEXRADROC/posts/3786620181370863 <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.4.104.114|69.4.104.114]] ([[User talk:69.4.104.114#top|talk]]) 08:10, 2 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Climate change ==


The article currently doesn't mention climate change. I've noticed this in more articles about tropical cyclones, whose meteorological history is consistent with trends expected by climate change, and who are directly linked by climate scientist to climate change. In the case of Laura, quite a few scientists have chimed in here.<ref>{{Cite news|last=Mooney|first=Chris|date=27-08-2020|title=Hurricane Laura’s rapid intensification is a sign of a warming climate, scientists say|work=The Washington Post|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/08/27/hurricane-laura-rapid-intensification/|url-status=live|access-date=31-08-2020}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|last=meteorologists|first=Allison Chinchar and Brandon Miller, CNN|title=Climate change didn't cause Hurricane Laura but it did make the storm worse|url=https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/weather/weather-hurricane-laura-climate-impacts-scope/index.html|access-date=2020-08-31|website=CNN}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|last=Gramling|first=Carolyn|date=2020-08-27|title=What’s behind August 2020’s extreme weather? Climate change and bad luck|url=https://www.sciencenews.org/article/2020-extreme-weather-climate-change-hurricane-derecho-wildfire|access-date=2020-08-31|website=Science News|language=en-US}}</ref> Laura's Rapid intensification and the location of making landfall are consistent with climate change, according to these climatologists: driven by high sea surface temperatures. Before I start crafting a few sentences, I was wondering if there is some consensus to omit the potential underlying cause of tropical cyclone intensification before an official attribution and detection study has been performed? [[User:Femkemilene|Femke Nijsse]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 09:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


:There isn't any consensus to omit the potential underlying cause of tropical cyclone intensification as far as I am aware, however, I personally feel that it would be better to have an article talking about tropical cyclones and climate change rather than a section speculating about Laura's relation to climate change. After all, the media likes to trot out articles talking about Climate Change after every significant tropical cyclone and no single tropical cyclone can yet be directly attributed to climate change.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 10:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


:: {{u|Jason Rees}}, thanks for your response. We have an article about [[tropical cyclones and climate change]], which I'm desperately trying to get in a less horrible state based on actual scientific sources. And yes, some media are making claims that are way too strong. However I disagree with your statement that linking climate change and Laura is speculation. Increased sea level temperatures are very confidently attributed to climate change, and to rapid intensification of tropical cyclones. I'm not proposing to say climate change caused Laura of course, simply that the background state made storms like Laura more likely to occur.


:: There is actually quite a bit of research attributing changes in tropical cyclones to climate change, for instance for [[Hurricane Florence]]<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Reed|first=K. A.|last2=Stansfield|first2=A. M.|last3=Wehner|first3=M. F.|last4=Zarzycki|first4=C. M.|date=2020-01-01|title=Forecasted attribution of the human influence on Hurricane Florence|url=https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/1/eaaw9253|journal=Science Advances|language=en|volume=6|issue=1|pages=eaaw9253|doi=10.1126/sciadv.aaw9253|issn=2375-2548}}</ref> and [[Hurricane Harvey]]<ref>{{Cite journal|last=van Oldenborgh|first=Geert Jan|last2=van der Wiel|first2=Karin|last3=Sebastian|first3=Antonia|last4=Singh|first4=Roop|last5=Arrighi|first5=Julie|last6=Otto|first6=Friederike|last7=Haustein|first7=Karsten|last8=Li|first8=Sihan|last9=Vecchi|first9=Gabriel|last10=Cullen|first10=Heidi|date=2017-12-01|title=Attribution of extreme rainfall from Hurricane Harvey, August 2017|url=https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa9ef2|journal=Environmental Research Letters|volume=12|issue=12|pages=124009|doi=10.1088/1748-9326/aa9ef2|issn=1748-9326}}</ref> [[User:Femkemilene|Femke Nijsse]] ([[User talk:Femkemilene|talk]]) 10:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)



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== Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2020 ==


{{edit semi-protected|Hurricane Laura|answered=Yes}}

The article about planes that fly into hurricanes is called [[Hurricane hunters]], not [[Hurricane Hunters]]. The capital letters make them sound like an organization, but apparently "hurricane hunters" is just a description. Please replace "Hurricane Hunters" with "hurricane hunters" or "Hurricane hunters" as appropriate. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/64.203.187.108|64.203.187.108]] ([[User talk:64.203.187.108|talk]]) 15:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

:: aight [[User:Hurricanehuron33|Hurricanehuron33]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehuron33|talk]]) 16:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

::Done! '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 17:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


== Incorrect information ==


In the Impacts section under Louisiana the article states

''The NWS radar at Fort Polk was also destroyed''

This is very incorrect, as the radar in Polk still exists and is downed by a communication outage, as stated by the source, could somebody fix this? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.196.99.188|76.196.99.188]] ([[User talk:76.196.99.188#top|talk]]) 01:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I was able to verify that the radar station at Fort Polk is indeed online and was not destroyed. [https://radar.weather.gov/radar_lite.php?rid=poe Fort Polk, NWS LA Radar reading] [[User:Jurisdicta|Jurisdicta]] ([[User talk:Jurisdicta|talk]]) 02:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

'''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Jurisdicta|Jurisdicta]] ([[User talk:Jurisdicta|talk]]) 02:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2020 ==


{{edit semi-protected|Hurricane Laura|answered=yes}}

> Most of the watches were upgraded to warnings the next day and a flash flood watch was also issued for the western half of the state as over 10 inches (25 cm) of rain was expected


Please change to mm. Centimeters are not used for rainfall [[Special:Contributions/93.136.196.224|93.136.196.224]] ([[User talk:93.136.196.224|talk]]) 01:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Danski454|Danski454]] ([[User talk:Danski454|talk]]) 13:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


== Protection for the article. ==


I had to re fix everything that got sabotaged by people that thought it reached Cat 5. [[User:Rmagnan|Rmagnan]] ([[User talk:Rmagnan|talk]]) 07:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

:For the moment, at least, protection is not needed. The edits claiming it was a Category 5 only came from one IP. [[User:TornadoLGS|TornadoLGS]] ([[User talk:TornadoLGS|talk]]) 17:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|Rmagnan|TornadoLGS}} I have requested infinite semi-protection for Laura's page at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Hurricane_Laura]]. Vandalism has been on the increase over the past days. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 14:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


== "Fourth Hurricane" ==


I'm no expert on TC stylisation and formatting on WP, though regularly view the pages. I found the lead "The twelfth named storm, fourth hurricane, and first major hurricane of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season..." to be somewhat jarring, as "Fourth Hurricane" doesn't sit very well with me. Of course Hurricane Laura was the fourth storm to reach hurricane strength, as Marco became a hurricane first. I don't necessarily think a rewording is justified or required, but is the time of strengthening to a certain status (ie hurricane) common in declaring an ordinal (first, second, third...) position for a hurricane, or is it's naming order taken as priority making the lead incorrect? It's not necessarily wrong, or bad, and again may not warrant change - in fact I'm probably the problem - but I found it ambiguous to the point I'd wish to raise it nonetheless. [[Special:Contributions/14.201.169.111|14.201.169.111]] ([[User talk:14.201.169.111|talk]]) 15:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|14.201.169.111}} That is usually how it is written on tropical cyclone articles, at least in my experience. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 15:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|User:Destroyeraa}} Awesome, thanks for your time resolving this for me, and effort in the community at large. [[Special:Contributions/14.201.169.111|14.201.169.111]] ([[User talk:14.201.169.111|talk]]) 16:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


== Air conditioning ==


"Multiple homes also were uninhabitable due to air conditioning units being destroyed."


Not mentioned in the source and sounds a little weird. What is mentioned is that a hospital won't be able to reopen because they can't keep their equipment sterile without air conditioning. [[Special:Contributions/93.136.94.63|93.136.94.63]] ([[User talk:93.136.94.63|talk]]) 04:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


== Number of death in Louisiana ==


Hi:


May I have the reference for this "A total of 32 fatalities occurred throughout the state with four of them coming from falling trees."? As far as I can have official references, there is only 27 death in Louisiana according to the Departement of HealT (https://ldh.la.gov/index.cfm/newsroom/detail/5761).


[[User:Pierre cb|Pierre cb]] ([[User talk:Pierre cb|talk]]) 12:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)


== "effects in louisiana" article ==


I'm making a draft about the [[Draft:Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana|Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana]]. It needs some help; will anyone help me with it? [[User:Hurricanehuron33|Hurricanehuron33]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehuron33|talk]]) 18:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


Latest revision as of 13:39, 1 March 2024

"effects in louisiana" article[edit]

I'm making a draft about the Effects of Hurricane Laura in Louisiana. It needs some help; will anyone help me with it? Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 18:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure I’ll help and soon I might make a draft about the Effects of Hurricane Delta in the Yucatán Peninsula. Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 17:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Robloxsupersuperhappyface: it will likely be a lot worse in Louisiana; I'd recommend a draft for that. --67.85.37.186 (talk) 16:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I was just gonna say that lol Robloxsupersuperhappyface (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additional words for hurricane formation in sequence but in parenthesis[edit]

Since Marco became the third hurricane of the season before Laura did, can I insert a few words in this sentence for a sequential hurricane formation but in parenthesis?

The twelfth named storm, fourth hurricane, and first major hurricane of the record-breaking 2020 Atlantic hurricane season -->
The twelfth named storm, fourth hurricane (Marco was third), and first major hurricane of the record-breaking 2020 Atlantic hurricane season

It's going to be a minor edit for that. --Allen (talk / ctrb) 21:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't personally see the need to highlight Marco there.Jason Rees (talk) 22:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question about records (Laura, 1856 Last Island hurricane, and...Camille?)[edit]

@Cyclonebiskit, Destroyeraa, TornadoLGS, DachshundLover82, Allen2, Jason Rees, Hurricanehuron33, CrazyC83, MarioProtIV, Gummycow, Super Cyclonic Storm Corona, Wikicanada1127, and Hurricaneboy23: So I was rewriting the Meteorological history of Hurricane Laura to make it consistent with the TCR and came across this:

Laura was the strongest hurricane to strike Louisiana since Hurricane Camille of 1969 (which produced category 5 conditions over the southeastern part of the state).

Now I'm kind of curious. I incorporated both the 1856 Last Island hurricane (which is the one we're comparing Laura to) and Hurricane Camille (the one the NHC is comparing Laura to) into the following sentences:

Turning almost due north, Laura made its final landfall near Cameron, Louisiana around 06:00 UTC with 150 mph (240 km/h) winds and a pressure of 939 mbars (27.73 inches). The wind speed made Laura the first Category 4 hurricane to ever hit southwestern Louisiana since the 1856 Last Island hurricane as well as the strongest hurricane to hit the state since Hurricane Camillein1969 (which produced Category 5 conditions over the southeastern portion of the state).

However, I'm still wondering about whether or not we should keep the record in comparison to the 1956 Last Island, the record in comparison to Camille, or both. For me, its both. Thoughts? ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both. Camille produced category 5 conditions in extreme SE Louisiana in unpopulated territory even though there is no listed landfall. Although an argument could be made that it was a landfall on some of the Chandeleur Islands and marshy St. Bernard Parish islands which are all marshlands, it's not listed as such in HURDAT2. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that the comparison to the 1856 hurricane is trivial and misleading, as you are saying that no other tropical cyclones have impacted the Southwestern Louisana while at Cat 4 intensity since 1856. That means for example that Katrina did not impact Louisana before it made landfall on August 29, 2005 even though it was a Cat 4 barely 5 hours before its first landfall on Lousiana. As a result, I would vote for the strongest tropical cyclone option as it seems more reliable and has not been made up by the media.Jason Rees (talk) 15:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Katrina was a cat 3 though at landfall/impact (HURDAT has it at LA3), so it was weaker anyway. The last cat 4 in the state was Betsy but that was at the low end of the category (130 mph vs. 150 mph for Laura). CrazyC83 (talk) 05:38, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@CrazyC83: I'm surprised that I have to say this but we don't define impact as when a system made landfall, since there are so many systems that don't make landfall but still impact land by producing rain etc. As a result, Katrina might have been a C3 at landfall at 11:10 on August 29, but it almost certainly impacted the state while a C4 if not a C5 during August 29. Also, you introducing Betsy to the mix as supposedly the last C4 to impact the state, just shows how poor, trivial and misleading the 1856 record is imo.Jason Rees (talk) 09:45, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note on this topic: the NHC said that Katrina hit Louisiana as a Cat 3. However, they also said cat 4 winds impacted the state before it weakened to cat 3 status.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 19:07, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At the end of the day @ChessEric: NHC are wrong if they are saying that Katrina hit Louisana as a Cat 3 unless they are referring to its landfall, unless of course the impacts before the landfall on August 29 at 11:10 amazingly don't count. There is a reason why NHC arent shouting about Laura's so called record :)Jason Rees (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: I gotcha. And yes, I was referring to the Cat 3 landfall. The max winds in Louisiana were briefly Cat 4, which the NHC acknowledged.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 03:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ChessEric: At the end of the day, Katrina may not have made landfall as a Cat 4, but it still hit/impacted SW Louisana as a Cat 4/5 before making landfall. As a result, I am convinced that the record is misleading and thus am tempted to remove it.Jason Rees (talk) 18:13, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: I'm not so sure about that one. The storm was borderline Cat 4 on its approach to Louisiana and I HIGHLY doubt there being Cat 5 winds there. Seems a bit too high imo. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 19:42, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ChessEric: Let me make it as clear as I can for you: The record we are talking about states that Laura was the first Category 4 hurricane to hit SW Louisana since 1856. However, unless the impacts that Katrina caused in the 12 hours before it made landfall don't count, the system hit/impacted SW Louisana as a Category 4 if not a 5. If they don't count I would like to know why as on Wiki the term hit is used in place of impacted as far as I know, since tropical cyclones don't always make landfall on an island nation, but still hit them with gale-force winds, heavy rainfall etc even when they pass offshore. As a result, I am even more convinced that the record is misleading and am extremely tempted to remove it.Jason Rees (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jason Rees: Ahhhhhh...I get it now. Thanks for the clarification. Question: would you remove both records or just one of them? ChessEric (talk · contribs) 21:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ChessEric: The only record that needs to go is the one that says "Laura [was] the first Category 4 hurricane to ever hit southwestern Louisiana since the 1856 Last Island hurricane" as I believe that the other one makes more sense and is directly backed up by NHC.Jason Rees (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jason Rees: Gotcha. I would be fine with that. Additionally, an EXACT definition of what part of Louisiana are in the southwestern part of the state is IMPOSSIBLE to make imo. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 22:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2023[edit]

Please add under preparations that an Angels-Astros game was postponed due to the weather. Source: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29739023/angels-astros-game-wednesday-postponed-hurricane-laura-approaches 152.179.246.14 (talk) 09:53, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Xan747 ✈️ 🧑‍✈️ 22:42, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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