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==Pronunciation== |
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Does anyone know how to pronounce "Slocum"? Is it "SLOCK-um" or "SLOAK-um"? |
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:Everyone I have ever heard say it says the latter, SLOAK-um or SLOKE-um. That includes people whose last name's are Slocum. These are people from New England anyway, perhaps there are regional differences. [[User:Glippy00|Glippy00]] 05:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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==Date of Final Voyage and Death== |
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Ann Spencer, in "Alone at Sea", goes to some length to produce references which suggest the date of death was November '''1908''', and not 1909. She discusses the discrepancy against the official date. Perhaps the article should acknowledge that this question exists... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.238.34.93|99.238.34.93]] ([[User talk:99.238.34.93|talk]]) 15:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Newport== |
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I assume [[Newport]] was [[Newport, Rhode Island]]. It isn't one of the Newports in Great Britain, is it? -- [[User:Zoe|Zoe]] |
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:There is also a [[Newport, Oregon]], a [[Newport, Washington]] and [[Newport Beach, California]] which makes more sense if he was sailing around the world. --[[User:Maveric149|mav]] |
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==Yankee== |
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Slocum claims in (Sailing Alone) that he considers himself a Yankee. Is this worth mentioning? I like calling him Canadian, but if he didn't call himself Canadian I don't know if it's entirely proper. [[User:Aarchiba|Andrew]] 10:18, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC) |
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==Nova Scotia== |
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Nova Scotia was not a province of Canada in 1844.--jglees |
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And as Nova Scotian is not a nationality and as he was born a british subject, it would be most correct to describe him as Brithish-born. However, that description may be misleading to some and totally unnecessary (there is no reason to include that fact about British Imperial nationality law), and thus, in conformity with the Chambers Biographical Dictionary, we should simply refer to him as American, and appellation, in the geographical sense if not always in the national sense, that he had borne since birth.--jglees |
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:plus it says later in the article that he was born in Nova Scotia, a fact not being overlooked or ignored, I agree it is too confusing to try and say where he was born and what his nationality was (unrelated bits of info) in one sentence. -- [[User:Stbalbach|Stbalbach]] 13:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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=="tells us"== |
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Several times (esp. first circumnavigation), the article states "Slocum tells us . . ." Hunh? Not only is this considerably less formal than expected in an encyclopedia article, but it smacks of being lifted from another work, with no citation. This is bothersome. |
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--[[User:Piledhigheranddeeper|Piledhigheranddeeper]] ([[User talk:Piledhigheranddeeper|talk]]) 16:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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== From where? == |
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"In November 1909 he set sail for the Orinoco River in Spray and disappeared." - Set sail from where? -- [[User:201.51.252.63|201.51.252.63]] 21:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC) |
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From the Vineyard. [[User:24.136.6.69|24.136.6.69]] 20:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== Pronounce Slocum == |
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In Britain it is pronounced as Slowcum. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/81.98.46.224|81.98.46.224]] ([[User talk:81.98.46.224|talk]]) 23:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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== Sloop or Yawl == |
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The spray was rigged as a Yawl during the circumnavigation. Was it sloop-rigged when he went missing, as the first paragraph seems to say? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:147.222.246.34|147.222.246.34]] ([[User talk:147.222.246.34|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/147.222.246.34|contribs]]) 01:14, 27 June 2007</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:If I remember aright he converted ''Spray'' into a sloop while on the trip – I think after some damage. Can't find my copy to check... [[User:Richard New Forest|Richard New Forest]] ([[User talk:Richard New Forest|talk]]) 15:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== 46000 miles == |
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I doubt the 74000km as an equivalent for 46000m as the latter probably are nautical miles, with an equivalent of about 1.8km. Could anybody please clarify this. Thank you [[User:194.246.46.15|194.246.46.15]] 14:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Bad part of his life == |
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I remember reading somewhere that in middle-age he was prosecuted for indecently assulting a young woman. Not mentioned. |
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I added a section on his later life that incorporates that "bad part". By the way, Slocum was in his early sixties when this occurred. [[User:24.136.6.69|24.136.6.69]] 03:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC) |
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While I'm at it, the definitive biography of Slocum is "Joshua Slocum" by Teller (1971). Teller devoted several decades to studying Slocum's life and compiled extensive primary source materials. For any period in Slocum's life, Teller's work is the best compilation. [[User:24.136.6.69|24.136.6.69]] 20:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC) |
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==Wives== |
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His first wife died, but there is no mention of his re-marriage. There's one passing reference to his wife in later life, making it look like this is Virginia being referred to, but that's not the case. Can someone add about his second marriage (date, wife's name, that she didn't like sailing very much, etc.)? |
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--[[User:Piledhigheranddeeper|Piledhigheranddeeper]] ([[User talk:Piledhigheranddeeper|talk]]) 16:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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== Vessels == |
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The article makes no mention of the ''Northern Light'' or the ''Aquidneck'', possibly Slocum's most important commands before his solo circumnavigation. Also, there are important personal details missing, e.g. the death of Virginia. [[User:24.136.6.69|24.136.6.69]] 04:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==Slocum's fate?== |
==Slocum's fate?== |
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*Writer [[Edward Rowe Snow]] claimed that Slocum was run down at night by a mail steamer near Turtle Island, Lesser Antillies. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.53.145.212|134.53.145.212]] ([[User talk:134.53.145.212|talk]]) 11:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
*Writer [[Edward Rowe Snow]] claimed that Slocum was run down at night by a mail steamer near Turtle Island, Lesser Antillies. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.53.145.212|134.53.145.212]] ([[User talk:134.53.145.212|talk]]) 11:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*https://seanmunger.com/2016/06/13/mysterious-tales-of-the-new-england-coast-the-fate-of-joshua-slocum-and-wine/ <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.5.90.84|50.5.90.84]] ([[User talk:50.5.90.84#top|talk]]) 01:35, 15 November 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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If he was born in Canada surely he was Canadian?--[[User:Charlesdrakew|Charles]] ([[User talk:Charlesdrakew|talk]]) 10:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC) |
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If he took American citizenship surely he's an American. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.224.121.88|199.224.121.88]] ([[User talk:199.224.121.88|talk]]) 19:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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If joshua Slocum was born in Canada in 1844 wouldn't this make him a citizen of the British Empire? |
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Some years ago there was an American book that dealt in part with the last voyage of Joshua Slocum. The relevant section read "by his own admission, Slocum was beginning to suffer from black outs". |
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Does anybody else have any information about this comment?[[User:AT Kunene|AT Kunene]] ([[User talk:AT Kunene|talk]]) 15:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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Cheers.—[[User:InternetArchiveBot|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">InternetArchiveBot</span>''']] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:InternetArchiveBot|Report bug]])</span> 00:53, 28 April 2017 (UTC) |
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== True monument == |
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== Later biography == |
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Isn't the true monument to Joshua Slocum the book "Sailing Alone Around the World"? This book has never gone out of print and most years is regularly reprinted. |
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There is a more recent major biography (2017), which is highly regarded by nautical historian acquaintances (though outside my field), apparently drawing on newly available family material and other previous overlooked sources. No doubt this will help interested editors improve this article. |
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It's a special moment on that beach in Nava Scotia. Having worked his way up the to commanding a crack sailing ship this was becoming worthless as the shipping world had increasingly turned to the more reliable steam ship. In his fifities, Slocum was on the beach and likely to be completely forgotton on the pages of history. |
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Stan Grayson "A Man for All Oceans - Captain Joshua Slocum and the First Solo Voyage Around the World" pub Tilbury House Publishers and the New Bedford Whaling Museum (isbn 978-0-88448-548-3) 401pp |
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[https://www.pressherald.com/2017/07/02/a-man-for-all-oceans-a-tale-to-tuck-into-on-deck-this-summer/ Press Herald review]. [[User:Davidships|Davidships]] ([[User talk:Davidships|talk]]) 12:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC) |
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As he stoood on that beach and surveyed the remains of the "Spray", then deciding to purchase and restore the vessel, at that special moment everything that would make Slocum almost immortal was just about to begin.[[Special:Contributions/212.138.68.113|212.138.68.113]] ([[User talk:212.138.68.113|talk]]) 12:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC) |
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:Added to article. (but sold out, my bookseller says :-( ) -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 14:58, 22 November 2019 (UTC) |
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There is a more recent major biography (2017), which is highly regarded by nautical historian acquaintances (though outside my field), apparently drawing on newly available family material and other previous overlooked sources. No doubt this will help interested editors improve this article. Stan Grayson "A Man for All Oceans - Captain Joshua Slocum and the First Solo Voyage Around the World" pub Tilbury House Publishers and the New Bedford Whaling Museum (isbn 978-0-88448-548-3) 401pp
Press Herald review. Davidships (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]