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Should this article be redesigned to look similar to the one on Insulate Britain? Both are offshoots of the same organisation, use similar if not almost identical tactics, and also only spanned a few months of activity before disappearing? Apache287 (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I agree. Seems a little unnecessary having a stand-alone-article for what is no more than an insignificant protest. MattSucci (talk) 19:33, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1. The group so far has not actually attempted to destroy any works of art, all subjects of attacks so far have been protected in some way that prevented damage.
2. Generally violence means physical violence in the average persons head, to describe the group as violent would leave the average reader with a false impression if the group.
I do think that there is something of an argument to make that their blocking of roads qualifies as violence although that isnt an opinion I hold.
I agree with this. Everything that annoys people is not violence. I think readers will understand violence to mean using force against something living and in that normal use of the word, the group is indeed not violent. CT55555(talk) 01:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think this quote from our own page on direct action is a good start: "Direct action involving property destruction becomes classified as "violent" when it crosses the "threshold of violence"[27] from basic property crime over into the category of terrorism. In the US, "Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of violence by a group or individual ... committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."[28][29][30]"
There have been close to a dozen very similar protests in rapid succession all involving activists throwing liquid and then gluing themselves to a painting, not just in the UK, but also Germany and New Zealand. I feel like these have gotten enough attention to warrant their own standalone article. --jonas (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Liquid painting is almost always syntatic. It doesn't look like they are one of the type of paints that are nonsyntatic. If correct, this means they are consuming a product made from oil. Is it not a bit unwise to use products made of oil, while there goal was to infact prevent the consuption of oil. 95.97.111.115 (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is of interest to the Crime & British crime projects because JSO frequently commit crimes as part of their activism. It's not a minor side issue. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If no one has any objections Im going to move the philosphy and views section above the protests section, seems like generally better practice to have a more proper explanation of the group before discussing its actions. Will make change in 1.5hrs or so if uncontested 168.8.125.20 (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have boldy edited for brevity, combined and renamed some sections, moved some content out of the lead and into the body, organised towards wikipedia norms and what seems logical, added images and links in the form of a navbox and side bar, and links some locations and people. I think everything was an edit towards the manual of style so I hope these edits are well received. CT55555(talk) 01:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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British Media: still mantaining its (double) standards?
Having attacked the clampdown on the Right to Protest in Moscow, it is interesting how the likes of the Daily Mail refuse to condemned the ever-increasing limits on protesting in London. Then again, having condemned the protests for law breaking, are not such 'law abiding' newspapers almost encouraging people to attack the protesters?
Given this, is there not room within the article for a section on the way reactionary elements within the press whip up ever more hate against Just Stop Oil to help maintain public support for the Government's anti-protest laws? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.255 (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2023
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Hi, in the lead section, "His Majesty's Government" seems too formal and out of place. Please change to "British Government". Thanks. Xavian569 (talk) 19:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear, as a newbie I don't feel too welcomed by that remark Asperthrow. It was literally my 4th or 5th edit so am completely unaware Wikipedia needs to use formal language. I thought common, everyday language helped. Sorry to annoy you, I will take some time to find out, somehow, what is needed here before I try again. Xavian569 (talk) 19:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Xavian569, The name of the British Government's Wikipedia article is Government of the United Kingdom, so obviously that level of formality isn't required. In fact, it reeks of WP:PUFFERY. Welcome again to Wikipedia!
Not done: It's not clear what you want done. I thought perhaps by "anchor" you meant that want to add a section called "Confettigate" to the article. If that's the case, the answer is no--the event is not notable enough to warrant its own section. I am closing this request. If you can be more clear about what you want, then please feel free to reopen it. Xan747 (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Should this article name people in Just Stop Oil? One of its co-founders was the Welsh activist Indigo Rumbelow. YTKJ (talk) 19:57, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed that quote as it is unrelated to the funding of Just Stop Oil. Trevor Neilson did not personally fund Just Stop Oil, nor did he personally rescind funding to Just Stop Oil. Wrackingtalk!16:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Inappropriate roll-backs
I want to call out the inappropriate editing by User:DeFacto over the oil protest today. Their two roll‑backs were not supported by their given reasons. My efforts to engage on their Talk page were removed after 5minutes, so that traffic is gone. Hopefully this little skirmish will die down. With best wishes, Robbie RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 16:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With reference to the claim in one roll‑back that "source doesn't support those charges for Hallam or Rumbelow and not clear how the protest relates to JSO", the article states just under the title "Just Stop Oil says cofounders Indigo Rumbelow and Roger Hallam were also arrested on Wednesday".[1]
The first cited source doesn't link Rumbelow and Hallam to this protest specifically, it only says that Details of Thunberg’s charge came as Just Stop Oil said its cofounders, Indigo Rumbelow and Roger Hallam, were arrested on Wednesday morning following dawn raids at their homes. The other source you add doesn't mention Just Stop Oil, Rumbelow or Hallam at all.
Let's put that aside. Can you explain why my edit violates Wikipedia policies — as you indicated on your most recent commit message. Let's discuss in good faith. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@RobbieIanMorrison, please quote the parts from the cited sources that you think supports the content that I removed, specifically:
that Roger Hallam and Indigo Rumbelow from JSO, were arrested for organizing or participating in a protest against the Energy Intelligence Forum conference in London.
that Thunberg's arrest was in any way related to the activities of JSO.
1. The first The Guardian article does draw a connection between Hallam and the London protest of course, because why else would the material on Hallam be included in the article? But that connection is clearly not stated to the standard you require.
2. I did not say that Thunberg was acting on behalf of JSO (nor do I believe that). But her arrest is a valid part of this material, in my view. You may not agree with that editorial decision but my edits are not a misrepresentation of the reported material.
The only connection made in the source article is that it happened on the same day, it didn't say there was any other connection.
This article is about JSO, so for content to be relevant there has to be a JSO connection, other than it was reported in a source article that also reported a JSO story.
As indicated, I will return to this episode if and when there is more information. Given the profile of those involved, I image there will be considerably more media coverage? RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 18:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This whole page could do with a total rework (instead of large bodies of text describing lots of similar protests, a table would work better: date, no. of arrests etc). Having some personal involvement (being arrested with Just Stop Oil multiple times) I try to not touch this page myself so not to muddy the waters but I think this could make this page far more readable and easier to maintain. ChildishGiant (talk) 00:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Pelmeen10 (talk) 11:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NotAGenious (talk) 18:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: It's not clear what you want done. I thought perhaps by "anchor" you meant that want to add a section called "Confettigate" to the article. If that's the case, the answer is no--the event is not notable enough to warrant its own section. I am closing this request. If you can be more clear about what you want, then please feel free to reopen it. Xan747 (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
