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Where is this Lincoln? I'm guessing it's not Lincoln, Nebraska, USA, but that's the only Lincoln I know of. Wesley
Probably Lincoln, in Lincolnshire, in England. -- Tarquin
Yes, it is Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England jp347
Well, how many genuine Medieval Cathedrals are there in America? How many 'Lincoln's in Europe?....duh....you REALLY need to go sit on the toilet for an hour and read an atlas Wesley.....
Addendum by Mark Rejhon: In case someone tries to edit the 1549 date back to 1548, I should mention... There is some confusion about the date of the 525-foot spire collapse are 1548 to 1549 from several sources, but the official church website indicates 1549, so I am using that date.
The picture chosen is not illustrative of this building (to say the least). It shows nothing that's unique about this building but rather something one may see in a thousand church or other similar buildings around the world.It would be a suitable photo for an article about furniture or church decor, but does not help anyone seeking info about this building. Pi lambda 00:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, well youve replaced "non free images" with "free ones". whats more important... something thats under a non commercial creative commons license and of good quality or dross thats under a gnu license? is wikipedia out to create quality stuff or simply crusade about open source? particularly like the picture of the wooden seats - could be anywhere. --Gothicform 10:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I can go out and snap one and stick it under a decent license, it's just down the road, tell me what face you want ;) --Streaky 06:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From the article:
I tried replacing "thanks" with something else, but since I don't know the exact circumstances (storm, lightning, tornado?), I wondered if somebody else could do that? Thanks :-) Peter S. 22:18, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
the spire collapsed in a storm. --Gothicform 10:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
that works 98.216.8.34 (talk) 18:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For a building disaster, 'thanks' would be a back-handed use of the word and colloquialism, so I agree with amendment.Cloptonson (talk) 11:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
From the article:
From the article about Mont Blanc
So, unless the the City of Lincoln is located 4650 meters AMSL, I don't really believe this point. I'm removing it, add it back with some explanations if it's really true. Cheers! :-) Peter S. 22:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
lincoln cathedral is approximately 140 metres AOD. most of the city of lincoln is barely above sea level, so its wrong.
--Gothicform 10:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Although Lincoln is in the middle of Lincolnshire which is mainly flat, the city is on a steep hill with the Cathedral near the top. Nowhere near 4000 odd metres mind! (Unsigned comment)
I have Internal photos and no idea of how to post them! (Streethawk, Grimsby (Lincolnshire!) 19/11/05)
Wikipedia pegs both this structure and the Salisbury Cathedral as the tallest churches in the UK. I recently visited the Salisbury Cathedral and it still makes the claim. Does anyone in actual fact know which is the taller?
Dave
Lincoln is way down the list of tallest UK churches. Salisbury (123m), St Paul's (111m), Liverpool (101m), Norwich (96m) and several others are all taller than Lincoln's 83m.
On a slightly different note, I see this article makes the claim "The central tower rises to 83 m (271 feet) and remains the tallest cathedral tower in Europe today without a spire." This is not true either -- St Paul's and Liverpool Cathedrals do not have spires, and quite possibly several others in England and other countries. I haven't checked too extensively.
Ben Willetts
As far a I recall Lincoln Cathedral was the tallest Cathedral in Europe when it had a spire. Even at this height now that would not be true but back then it was 83.100.154.111 15:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ben... st pauls has a lantern at the top of the dome and besides it doesnt have a cathedral tower. :) it has a dome. there is only one in the uk thats taller and that is liverpool anglican cathedral. furthermore i believe the only other cathedral tower taller in the world is the american national cathedral in washington d.c
I'm extremely sceptical about the claimed height of 160m (before the spire collapse). Is there some hard evidence for that figure, or was it someone's wild guess? — Opie 05:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
why are you sceptical? the smaller malmsebury abbey was 130 metres tall, salisbury was 123. st pauls cathedral was only slightly shorter. york minster had a wooden spire that made it over 100 metres tall too, infact the shorter towers were over 100m tall at lincoln cathedral. its perfectly easy to take a church and double the height from roof to tip by simply adding a spire as chichester or salisbury show today. its much harder to get it standing up as malmesbury shows. everywhere says so except for one victorian author ranging from the cathedrals own records to the guiness book. --unsigned comment by 86.6.160.50
It's documented records, I'm pretty sure it is, I'll have ago at badgering a tour guide or something next time i'm in the area - it could certainly be one of the highest tops of any being on top of a pretty high hill when you think about it from that perspective, there aint many, if any, that are built on top of hills --Streaky 06:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
it IS in the guiness book of world records. you will also find the list of the worlds tallest ever buildings replicated everywhere, for example on skyscraperpage or emporis, skyscrapernews.com has what is i believe the fullest list of britains big churches including ones that dont exist anymore, what happened to lincoln was not uncommon as york minster experienced. the extreme height would explain why it doesnt exist anymore, plenty of extremely tall buildings collapsed because of that! just to emphasise further - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=138268 "Old St. Paul's Cathedral became the world's tallest building in 1549, when the 160m (525ft) wooden central spire of Lincoln Cathedral fell down. This lasted until the 4th June 1561, when St. Paul's spire was itself felled by lightning and the title passed to Notre-Dame de Strasbourg in Strasbourg." given the tallest buildings in the world were all in europe it WAS the tallest in the world. notre-dame de rouen has a spire of similar dimensions to that of lincoln still standing by the way.
Just to add further to this discussion, the supports for the spire still exist in the tower today and you can see them on the tour of the central tower. They indicate from their dimensions and the weight they can carry that the spire was indeed around 160m tall.
--Gothicform 07:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have very serious doubts too that the Lincoln Cathedral was over 160metres high. That would make that the spire-construction itself should have been about 77metres high on a floorplan of about 15 by 15 metres. To add to the story, the suggested spire-construction was standing for almost 250years(!). I cant take those claims serious unless someone with an engineering and construction background shows me how it could have been done in 1311 and maintained. No matter what the old documents until 1549 say, this matter needs in my POV serious recalculations nowadays to proof it, before it can enter the wikipedia as a solid fact. 06:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)sonty567 (architecture student for 5years) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.104.161 (talk)
Addon to my above comment : it seems the roofplan of the centraltower is nowadays roughly about 70metres above ground. This would make the suggested wooden spire on that central tower even more doubtfull because that would result in an approximate 90metres high wooden spire on the central towers rooffloorplan of roughly about 15 by 15metres. 83.83.104.161 (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)sonty567[reply]
Having read the above I've moderated the recent qualifications regarding building height to a more neutral tone. The previous remarks of "but this height is regarded as doubtful" imply quite clearly that a consensus exists against the 525ft height, whereas the most basic research reveals the opposite to be true, with widespread agreement on the world record height with the notable exception of Kendrick's opinion. I would suggest the prevalence of references is a better indicator of the truth than a comparative analysis of engineering techniques. As others have said, it collapsed because it was too audacious rather than eminently achievable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.235.97 (talk) 11:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the claim for the highest building since the Pyramids of Giza deserves some better sources than we have now.
Are there any other books or papers on historical research into the Lincoln Cathedral that assessed the credibility of this claim? Because so far we only have the A.F. Kendrick, who calls it doubtful, but gives no further explanation. We also have the other sources that were given in the Wikipedia article but I doubt the authors really verified the claim themselves, since the websites/books are not dedicated to the Lincoln Cathedral.Ckiki lwai (talk) 17:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And we are left with "some historians claim", not "all relevant contemporary historians stated, but some guy on wikipedia with '5 years engineering experience has doubts'" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.86.7.57 (talk) 01:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article History of the world's tallest buildings has
The 159.7 m (524 ft) height of Lincoln Cathedral is disputed by some,[1] but accepted by most sources.[2][3][4][5][6][7] The completion date for the spire is given as 1311 rather than 1300 by some sources.[8]
Some of those are books I can't access, one one of them 404s, and none of them may be particularly good, I'm just laying them out here. Herostratus (talk) 04:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
References
The page feels a little image heavy and really falls apart round about "Modern controversies" - I'd suggest either remove 4 or 5 photos or tag an image gallery onto the end and move all but two pictures into it. (Emperor 03:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC))[reply]
Soneone should put a picture of the Linclon Imp in instead of the view form the tower which is sort of out of place ... I think there's one on the Lincoln Imp page. (24.218.139.94 01:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]
I have tried to edit and clean up the article as best as possible. I have done the following:
LordHarris 17:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't there also an attached library and chapter house? The floorplan doesn't have them. (24.218.139.94 01:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]
The History section unfortunately ends before the Reformation. Was there much change or destruction in the cathedral during that time? -- 85.179.175.225 23:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Given that this was the tallest building in the world when it had its tower, the article could do with a picture of that tower. Beorhtric 20:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is a model of the cathedral complete with spires in the Cathedral Museum. My photograph of the model didn't come out very well; there is a very nice one, however, on Flickr. I've contacted the author to see if he'd be willing to post it for use in the article.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amthomson/8478947719/
Rushton2010 (talk) 14:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here is an etching from 1743 with the smaller spires, it's in the British Library, I assume that that's like a boomer deviant art site. https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-south-west-prospect-of-the-city-of-lincoln — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.86.7.57 (talk) 02:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What confusion!
LIncoln was the tallest building in the world, for several hundred years, with Strasburg, Old St Paul's (gone in the 1600s) and a church in Finland(?) coming in behind it. Salisbury was about 150 feet shorter that Lincoln. But Salisbury had the tallest solid masonry spire ever constructed. Not lead over wood and not open latticework but big lumps of stone, perfectly cut and laid, for 404 feet. Salisbury's spire has survived, with some resurfacing, and remortaring, but not reconstruction. It is the supreme masterpiece of 13th century engineering. Most big spires now date from the 1800s.
Lincoln's spire was wood covered with lead. It blew down in a gale. But it had stood for about 300 years. It came down in the 1500s, and there is no picture. But the enormous tower that the spire stood on, 270 feet high, still stands as the tallest church tower in England. It is probably the tallest "central tower" on any church in the world.
Think of this: most towers stand on four solid walls, with a door or two at the bottom. But the great central towers on England's Cathedrals do not stand on four walls. They stand on four feet! In other words, under each of these towers are four big arches, up about 75-80 feet high, and between the arches are piers. The piers are like four huge columns which carry the four corners of the tower. The English were so expert at this that they built huge central towers at Norwich, Durham, Wells, Salisbury, Canterbury, York, Lincoln, Worcester, Gloucester, Lichfield, Chichester, and towers that were not quite so spectaclarly high at some of the others. All these towers are still standing. However, Chichester has a rather nasty mishap- its stone spire suddenly collapsed inwards on itself like an old telescope folding up. It had been standing for about 450 years, before it gave up.
Has anyone ever heard of an earthquake in England. Certainly Wiki hasn't. If go to "List of Earthquakes" link via the "Earthquake" link, you will see that there is no listing for an earthquake in England at any time. Ever. How then, could the cathedral have been " destroyed by an earthquake about forty years later, in 1185.", I wonder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.12.252.111 (talk) 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Earthquakes in Britain are actually quite common: we've actually had 14 in the last month! Most are extremely minor but there are usually 1 or 2 a year that are big enough (or cause enough damage) to make national news and few more on top that that make local news. They're nothing on the scale of foreign earthquakes though
Over the years a sizable number of cathedrals in Britain have been damaged by earthquakes: just look at List of earthquakes in the British Isles (which is a FAR FROM COMPLETE article)
Take a look at http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/earthquakes/recent_uk_events.html for a full list of British Earthquakes. The British Geological Survey (BGS) is the world's oldest national geological survey: recording earthquakes in Britain since 1835.
With specifics of the Lincoln Earth Quakes the BGS has a database of historically recorded earthquakes taken from: "Musson R.M.W., 2008. The seismicity of the British Isles to 1600. BGS, Earth Hazards and Systems, Internal Report OR/08/049".
There was a recorded earthquake which was felt at Lincoln in December 1140; and another one larger one in 15 April 1185. Of this one in 1185 it says: "This is one of the largest and most interesting earthquakes of the period. The following facts can be gleaned from the sources: it was felt throughout all of England, but especially in the north; it was the worst ever known in England; stones were split; stone houses were thrown down; and Lincoln Cathedral was badly damaged". The epicentre is thought to have been somewhere in the North see as it was also felt in Norway.
The simple chart is available here:http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/historical/query_eq/
The full report at: http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/historical/data/studies/MUSS008/MUSS008.pdf
Rushton2010 (talk) 13:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A reasonably new editor, Woodseats44 (talk) has repeatedly appended the following statement of a very general nature to the summary statement at the top of Lincoln Cathedral: "Like all medieval buildings that are now cathedrals of England, Lincoln Cathedral is Roman Catholic in origin as it predates the Reformation."
This edit has been undone today by three separate editors and, wishing to avoid an edit war, I am requesting that we discuss the matter here.—GrahamSmith (talk) 13:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Another editor has amended the opening sentence to read "Lincoln Cathedral (in full The Cathedral Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Lincoln, or sometimes St. Mary's Cathedral) is a historic, now Anglican, cathedral in Lincoln". Is this not the same crowbarring-in of a not-that-pivotal fact that we took issue with before? Are we going to do this for every mediaeval church in the country? Thoughts? Arthur Holland (talk) 10:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The reverting is getting out of hand so I've fully protected the page for three days so efforts can focus on discussion. Nev1 (talk) 19:24, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps something along these lines could go in the History section. It does go very quiet at the 15th century. Myrvin (talk) 20:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]Until the 1530s, the bishops were in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. During the Reformation, they changed their allegiance back and forth between the crown and the papacy. Under Henry VIII and Edward VI, the bishops conformed to the Church of England, but under Mary I they adhered to the Roman Catholic Church. Since the Reformation, the bishops and diocese of Lincoln have been part of the Church of England and the Anglican Communion.
Cobulator has reverted GrahamSmith's revert, can we leave it at that for now. Cobulator shouldn't have restored it while discussion was ongoing, but someone needs to break the cycle and I'd rather not protect the article a second time. The word "now" doesn't change the article drastically and leaving it as it is would not be introducing an innaccuracy. There needs to be a discussion over why that particular word in the lead is perceived to be problematic by some users.
It's just a suggestion, but perhaps the issue would be mute if the lead could be expanded? Five lines isn't really adequate and an expanded lead could remark on what happened to the cathedral during the Reformation. Nev1 (talk) 23:16, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Right, given that Cobulator has simply reverted to his original edits in the face of various editor's concerns ([s]he's also done this to a number of other Lincolnshire church articles), I'm asking for opinions again from all interested. If we can't get consensus then I believe we have to look at outside opinion (I've not done the dispute resolution thing before so I'm not too familiar with the procedure). Therefore, in my opinion, the "now Anglican" remark in the lead and the『Remigius de Fécamp, a Catholic and the first bishop of Lincoln』remark both feel like they're pushing an agenda and making a meal of an implicit fact. The compromise that was suggested before by Myrvin on 29 Feb seemed to me to be an excellent one. Therefore, can we have a show of hands – who wants to incorporate Cobulator's edits and who wants to go with Myrvin's suggestions? Obviously, I would go with Myrvin's suggestion. Arthur Holland (talk) 12:35, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(od) I notice the phrase "now Anglican" has been deleted from the introduction (with which I wholly concur); as the sentence already said (about a dozen words later) it is in the Church of England neither word seems necessary. Also the contentious “now” was added through an edit war by an editor who is currently doing the same elsewhere, and (despite the discussion above) I don’t think we should be rewarding bad behaviour.
On the compromise proposed above, I would suggest (though it's up to you) that it is hardly necessary, and may well add more heat than light. The implications of the Reformation in England are already discussed at the linked articles, and it doesn’t need repeating in an article about a building as well. In any event, Lincoln cathedral (and all the other pre-Reformation church buildings) belonged to the Church in England, regardless of whether that body owed its allegiance to the Pope or not, while linking them, or suggesting a link, to what the rest of the world calls the Roman Catholic church would be more, not less, confusing. And describing Remigius as a catholic might be fair enough (though still debateable) saying he was Catholic rather less so. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yesterday I edited the article twice. With the first I noted that the first bishop was a Catholic bishop. This is correct and accurate. With the second I qualified the fact that the cathedral is Anglican by inserting the word "now". Later someone rudely blew away both of my edits in one go. Later I put it back, only to have someone else get rid rid of it again. What's the problem? I came on to fix it again today, but the article has now been locked. Why? Cobulator (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(od) I'm not sure if you mean User:Cobulator deserves some slack because he/she is a SPA or because they are new; but while we are giving them the benefit of the doubt, it might be worth considering that the IP which made this edit, also made this one, which repeated this. Make of it what you will, Moonraker12 (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with everything Cobulator and cannot see why a, dare I say it. fundamental fact (ie that the Cathedral's origins are pre-Reformation and that the Cathedral was built at a time when the church in England had its allegiance to Rome) should be completely ignored. I am not pushing an agenda here but I think there is something arrogant and dismissive about the use of the words "crowbarring of a not very pivotal fact" as used by one of the 'editors' in the section above this. I think, 'now Anglican' is a good compromise in that it accurately defines the Cathedral's current status but also suggests (without labouring the point) that this was not always the case. Enough information, I would venture to say, for an interested reader to find out more - should they choose or desire to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.45.222.192 (talk) 17:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The assertion that St Mary's was a Mother Church is odd. The wikilink is no help. Needs a citation? Myrvin (talk) 13:28, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've clarified it a bit more. It is important for the article to say this church is in Stow - I've seen it. Also, the article on Mother Church is in such a mess there is no point in people being directed to it. I've removed the wikilink. The term here can only mean the major church of an area, which is only a passing thought in the linked article. Myrvin (talk) 19:44, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I know this may sound so radical as to start an argument, but I perceive it as pointless having a county map filling up space, when one click on the co-ordinates will call up every type of map one could possibly want. The map occupies a lot of space (like the horrible box full of info that is also found within the article) and means that pictures of this, England's sublime work of architecture, are either sandwhiched or pushed down. Right now, the pics are horribly overcrowded. I am not suggesting fewer pictures because , as with all great artworks, a picture is worth a thousand words. The thousand words, however, do help the less-well-informed on the subject to understand what it is they are looking at. Amandajm (talk) 22:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This:-
"Its origins pre-date the Protestant Reformation by over three hundred years"
was added without explanation or discussion by IP 84.45.222.192 (talk) yesterday: As it reflects the same sentiment which has been added repeatedly to this and other pages, by a single-purposed editor (using a variety of accounts) who has not made any attempt to reach a consensus position, (see above, here and here, for previous discussions) I’ve reverted it.
If there is any value in having this information in the article, or any point other than disruption in adding it, then explanations are invited (again!) here. Moonraker12 (talk) 09:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Should the country say in England or United Kingdom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readthisandlearn (talk • contribs) 00:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply Keith, I do agree with you now about being more specific. I just changed it to England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readthisandlearn (talk • contribs) 21:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone know what facts need citing according to the banner? I reckon we could make this a B and move it on toward GA. But I'd like to sort the banner out as a first step.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 15:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikimedia UK's annual conference is being held in Lincoln this year. While the charity doesn't control what goes on Wikipedia, if editors have requests for particular parts aspects of the cathedral there will be a group of editors in Lincoln who may be able to help if you can point them in the right direction. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 10:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We're weren't able to get a peek at the bells in the end, though we did manage a few photos. We were able to get one of the model, but it didn't include spires. It may prove handy though, so I'll see about uploading it. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 09:04, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here they are. There were a few more with Wikipedians in, but I somehow don't think that's the kind of thing which might be useful to this article. I wonder if the gatehouse merits a stand-alone article. It's an interesting little building. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 09:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hchc2009 (talk) 19:29, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Always interested in pictures of castles! :) Hchc2009 (talk) 18:12, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Quite understandable that edits should be made to the article but recent edits rollbacked because it removed numerous facts with footnotes but only offered one main one relating to the bells at. Given this is a developed article, could we stick to single edits with clear NEW footnotes so sources are clear for each change and rollbacks aren't required? AnonNep (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No I did not actually add any new material of my own, I only altered the presentation of material that retains its sources or has no sources.--Mevagiss (talk) 22:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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There are some weak sources listed on an important claim within this edition of the article:
With its spire, the tower reputedly reached a height of 525 feet (160 m) (which would have made it the world's tallest structure, surpassing the Great Pyramid of Giza, which held the record for almost 4,000 years). Although there is dissent,[1] this height is agreed by most sources.[2][3][4][5][6]
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The tall spire of timber, covered with lead, which originally crowned this tower reached an altitude, it is said, of 525 feet; but this is doubtful. This spire was blown down during a tempest in January 1547-8.
Seeing an archived post from 2005 from a website called Skyscraper News and a Time magazine article make me weary of how the other three sources hold up. Does anyone have these books on-hand to reference? Tkbrett (✉) 20:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A piece on a local news website from a post-graduate student who does not specialize in the area in question is not the strong source we are looking for. Before you reply here again please take a moment to review WP:CIVIL. This area is to discuss content, not to wage personal attacks on other editors. Tkbrett (✉) 23:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I question the appelation 'The Blessed' prefixing Edward King's name; the title implies beatification, which I understand is only done in the Roman Catholic Church (he being a Church of England bishop who lived post-Reformation), commonly to martyrs and those to whom miracles were attributed after death. Am I right?Cloptonson (talk) 10:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's an AfD-merge (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lincoln Mystery Plays), not actioned for many months, with an outcome of merge to the Lincoln Cathedral page. Looking at Lincoln Mystery Plays, though, it seems that the content would be out-of-place and unbalance this page. Rather, I think that a better target for hte merge would be N-Town Plays, with Lincoln Mystery Plays having a distinct section there as a modern adaptation of a traditional collection. That would seem to place the material better in context. Klbrain (talk) 18:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]