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I don't see any relevance to the age today column under People who have walked on the Moon. I suggest that it be removed. -- < |
I don't see any relevance to the age today column under People who have walked on the Moon. I suggest that it be removed. -- <span style="color:#000080;">Mufka</span> [[User:Mufka|<sup>(u)</sup>]] [[User talk:Mufka|<sup>(t)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mufka|<sup>(c)</sup>]] 14:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Removed. -- <span style="color:#000080;">Mufka</span> [[User:Mufka|<sup>(u)</sup>]] [[User talk:Mufka|<sup>(t)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mufka|<sup>(c)</sup>]] 17:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I was looking for a way to see who was still alive, and that column would have done it. [[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE|2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE|talk]]) 06:55, 13 October 2018 (UTC) |
I was looking for a way to see who was still alive, and that column would have done it. [[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE|2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE|talk]]) 06:55, 13 October 2018 (UTC) |
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== Apollo astronauts who flew to the Moon without landing == |
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In this section, the text says that '''12''' people have been close to the Moon without landing, however the table lists '''14''' people. I assume that the table is correct and the text wrong, but I don't want to make the edit, because I don't know the factual accuracy here. What worries me is that the [[Saturn V]] page was just edited to change the total number of people flown to the Moon from 24 to 26[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saturn_V&curid=20584918&diff=446515212&oldid=444338829] so there is something wrong here. Can someone who is sure about this make the necessary edit? Thanks! --< |
In this section, the text says that '''12''' people have been close to the Moon without landing, however the table lists '''14''' people. I assume that the table is correct and the text wrong, but I don't want to make the edit, because I don't know the factual accuracy here. What worries me is that the [[Saturn V]] page was just edited to change the total number of people flown to the Moon from 24 to 26[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saturn_V&curid=20584918&diff=446515212&oldid=444338829] so there is something wrong here. Can someone who is sure about this make the necessary edit? Thanks! --<span style="color: #0026ff;">'''MarkPos'''<sub>([[User:MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">User Page</span>]] | [[User talk:MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">Contribs</span>]])</sub></span> 10:24, 26 August 2011 (UTC) |
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:I just noticed that the 3rd paragraph of the article says "twenty-four" people have visited the moon implying 12 who landed and 12 who orbited, so I'm even more confused about the 14 people listed in the table. --< |
:I just noticed that the 3rd paragraph of the article says "twenty-four" people have visited the moon implying 12 who landed and 12 who orbited, so I'm even more confused about the 14 people listed in the table. --<span style="color: #0026ff;">'''MarkPos'''<sub>([[User:MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">User Page</span>]] | [[User talk:MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">Contribs</span>]])</sub></span> 10:31, 26 August 2011 (UTC) |
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::12 people went to the moon but never landed. The 14 people in the table include Young and Cernan, who did not land on their first flight to the Moon, but landed on later flights. --[[User:Zundark|Zundark]] ([[User talk:Zundark|talk]]) 10:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC) |
::12 people went to the moon but never landed. The 14 people in the table include Young and Cernan, who did not land on their first flight to the Moon, but landed on later flights. --[[User:Zundark|Zundark]] ([[User talk:Zundark|talk]]) 10:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC) |
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:::That's clear, thanks! I should have noticed that from the tables, but I allowed myself to be misled by the edit to the [[Saturn V]] article (thanks for reverting that). --< |
:::That's clear, thanks! I should have noticed that from the tables, but I allowed myself to be misled by the edit to the [[Saturn V]] article (thanks for reverting that). --<span style="color: #0026ff;">'''MarkPos'''<sub>([[User:MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">User Page</span>]] | [[User talk:MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/MarkPos|<span style="color: #0026ff;">Contribs</span>]])</sub></span> 12:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC) |
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:::I've changed the table to just number the twelve who never landed. Hopefully this is clearer. (If not, it probably wants to be 15, so that it adds up to 27 - I've seen 14 quoted elsewhere, which confused the hell out of me.) [[User:Antrim Kate|Antrim Kate]] ([[User talk:Antrim Kate|talk]]) 19:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC) |
:::I've changed the table to just number the twelve who never landed. Hopefully this is clearer. (If not, it probably wants to be 15, so that it adds up to 27 - I've seen 14 quoted elsewhere, which confused the hell out of me.) [[User:Antrim Kate|Antrim Kate]] ([[User talk:Antrim Kate|talk]]) 19:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC) |
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When I start to read, and begin to use, an article titled "List of ..." I assume it is complete. As well as having a warning that this article needs more source citations, it should begin with a warning that this list is not complete. E.g. William R. Pogue. I expect to find many other names when I get a good NASA document source. |
When I start to read, and begin to use, an article titled "List of ..." I assume it is complete. As well as having a warning that this article needs more source citations, it should begin with a warning that this list is not complete. E.g. William R. Pogue. I expect to find many other names when I get a good NASA document source. |
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*The Mission column: Apollo 10 should be mentioned for Young and Cernan too, they flew that trip twice, as did |
*The Mission column: Apollo 10 should be mentioned for Young and Cernan too, they flew that trip twice, as did Lovell.[[User:Samwonderer|Samwonderer]] ([[User talk:Samwonderer|talk]]) 01:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:*Hi. Please see the section above entitled "Apollo astronauts who flew to the Moon without landing", it addresses this point. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 02:58, 29 April 2021 (UTC) |
:*Hi. Please see the section above entitled "Apollo astronauts who flew to the Moon without landing", it addresses this point. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 02:58, 29 April 2021 (UTC) |
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Apollos 7 and 9 were Earth orbit flights, and five of the six astronauts who flew them were never assigned Moon missions. By extension, the SkyLab and ASTP missions used Apollo CSMs in Earth orbit. Some people call ASTP "Apollo 18". Shouldn't the astronauts of these low Earth orbit Apollo missions get their own section? |
Apollos 7 and 9 were Earth orbit flights, and five of the six astronauts who flew them were never assigned Moon missions. By extension, the SkyLab and ASTP missions used Apollo CSMs in Earth orbit. Some people call ASTP "Apollo 18". Shouldn't the astronauts of these low Earth orbit Apollo missions get their own section? |
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:Of course they should get a section and chart. Personally, I never thought of it. Thank you for being a guardian of this page and of accuracy. I'm not quick with coding a chart but will take a look at the coding at some point soon if no one else creates it, and if you want to give it a go please do, should at least be a chart for 7 and 9. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 02:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC) |
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== A table is needed to replace the prose list. == |
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There is too much information on this page that can be better sorted in a table. Almost all of the prose is already available on the primary links[[User:Absolutely Certainly|Absolutely Certainly]] ([[User talk:Absolutely Certainly|talk]]) 19:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC). |
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== Orbited the Moon? == |
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“Three men have been to the Moon twice, one only orbited both times…” |
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I believe that Apollo 13 followed a free return trajectory without entering lunar orbit, as did Zond 5. |
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If so, then Jim Lovell orbited only one time, and the two turtles and 5 mice not at all. |
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Ian Black [[User:Blacki999|Blacki999]] ([[User talk:Blacki999|talk]]) 11:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, good points {{u|Blacki999}}, and have edited the page (i.e. the correct term is [[Circumlunar trajectory]], the [[Apollo 13]] page says they "looped around the Moon" and I've added the correct term to it and to the Zond 5 page). A mistake though, the five mice orbited 75 times on Apollo 17, still a record for any living being by both number of orbits and time spent in orbit. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 12:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Thanks Randy. I misread somewhere that the 5 mice were aboard Zond 5 with the turtles. I assume that Command Module Pilot Ron Evans shares the records with the five mice? My comment may be moot, as the Wikipedia "Orbit" article says "Normally, orbit refers to a regularly repeating trajectory, although it may also refer to a non-repeating trajectory." Such as a circumlunar trajectory? [[User:Blacki999|Blacki999]] ([[User talk:Blacki999|talk]]) 06:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Yes, {{u|Blacki999}}, Evans and the mice are the record holders. [[Notting Hill (film)|Tied]]. Maybe better to leave it as is because the literal term "orbit" would mean, to most people, going completely around the entire astronomical body at least once and not partially around it as Apollo 13 and Zond 5 did (they did not complete the entire trip "around" the Moon). I think you got it right the first time. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 11:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Astronauts who flew to the Moon without landing == |
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The list includes just one astronaut from Apollo 10 - Tom Stafford. There were two others (John Young and Gene Cernan) on this mission who do not appear in this list..? [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23CC:D214:101:1DB5:E868:169E:32E5|2A00:23CC:D214:101:1DB5:E868:169E:32E5]] ([[User talk:2A00:23CC:D214:101:1DB5:E868:169E:32E5|talk]]) 11:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:I have now read the above ‘Talk’ relating to this point and note that they are not included in this list as they also took part in later missions where they landed on the surface of the moon. (John Young on Apollo 16 ; Eugene Cernan on Apollo 17) [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23CC:D214:101:1DB5:E868:169E:32E5|2A00:23CC:D214:101:1DB5:E868:169E:32E5]] ([[User talk:2A00:23CC:D214:101:1DB5:E868:169E:32E5|talk]]) 12:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Age - months or days? == |
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Any consensus as to whether we should be using Y+D or Y+M+d for age at first step? Some (unrelated) "list of [youngest] records" articles use Y+D, so it seems appropriate here? Y+D is more accurate than Y+M+d, as months obviously have different lengths. [[User:EntirelyOnline|3nt0]] ([[User talk:EntirelyOnline|talk]]) 06:02, 21 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Sounds a bit like a small kid proudly declaring "I'm 5 years, 2 months and 11 days old". I'd stick to years only. Days and even months only matter when we're talking of under 3 years old. <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">[[User:Stepho-wrs|''' Stepho ''']] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">[[User Talk:Stepho-wrs|talk]] </span></span> 06:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC) |
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What's the difference between this (List of lunar astronauts) & List of men who walked on the moon? --Menchi 01:34, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Can this page include a discussion and/or link to a discussion about contraversey surrounding the authenticity of the US landing on the moon - the political ramifications of the landing, and the space race?
Left earth orbit? Why doesn't the moon just fly off into space, then? XD
Was there actually an Apollo 21 flight scheduled? I have always read the series was originally to end with Apollo 20, until 18, 19, & 20 got axed. --Matthew 00:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any relevance to the age today column under People who have walked on the Moon. I suggest that it be removed. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 14:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking for a way to see who was still alive, and that column would have done it. 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE (talk) 06:55, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the "USN" label on Neil Armstrong's entry in the list because he was a civilian when he joined the astronaut corps. Other such astronauts' entries likely need to be fixed, too. YLee (talk) 07:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have twice reverted Engology's edits describing the 12 astronauts who've walked on the moon as "Engineers." I object due to the following reasons:
Please add the article to Category:Apollo program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.64.37.240 (talk) 15:55, September 22, 2010
I hope I'm a good feminist, really I do. But at the end of the day, they were all men. The "human", "people" business is simply ridiculous and beings to grate after a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.50.67 (talk) 07:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So, in your judgment then, only women are "human" or "people?" How odd!122.26.51.203 (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The point is that only men went. Not human people of both genders—men alone. "Human" and "people" are collective terms that include women, who were not included. Clear? 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:844E:7F62:FF7F:FFEE (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am quite surprised to find that there is not a single reference on this entire page about the fact that the Apollo series of missions were American in origin, design and execution. Don't you think this fact deserves some recognition on this page, at least in the opening paragraph?
If and when the Chinese, Indians, Japanese or any other natioality successfully fly and return their astronauts to the moon, I am SURE Wikipedia will mention their nationality. So why not give these brave Americans the credit their incredible (and and after 42 years, unmatched) accomplishment deserves? It's hardly a violation of the so-called "global perspective" Wikipedia strives to adhere to for us to point out that every human thus far who has ever walked upon earth's satellite has been an American. Right? Thanks122.26.51.203 (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In this section, the text says that 12 people have been close to the Moon without landing, however the table lists 14 people. I assume that the table is correct and the text wrong, but I don't want to make the edit, because I don't know the factual accuracy here. What worries me is that the Saturn V page was just edited to change the total number of people flown to the Moon from 24 to 26[1] so there is something wrong here. Can someone who is sure about this make the necessary edit? Thanks! --MarkPos(User Page | Talk | Contribs) 10:24, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Should Grissom be moved from "From the Mercury Seven" section to "Other astronauts who trained for Apollo"? Same thing for White and Chaffee. There were others who were assigned as prime crewmembers but did not fly, and are listed in the lower section. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What do the different colours in the list rows stand for? /Kiewbra (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I though it might be good to distinguish the astronauts more specifically as some are from the special core called 'marines' as opposed to 'navy' or 'air-force' Bensational (talk) 01:31, 9 September 2013 (UTC) 09-sep-2013[reply]
When I start to read, and begin to use, an article titled "List of ..." I assume it is complete. As well as having a warning that this article needs more source citations, it should begin with a warning that this list is not complete. E.g. William R. Pogue. I expect to find many other names when I get a good NASA document source. EdgarDurbin — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdgarDurbin (talk • contribs) 21:52, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The first paragraph uses text for numbers, but the 3rd and 4th paragraphs use the number. We should have uniformity. Alan Davidson (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Quite remarkable that 1/3 of them died within almost 2 years, should be mentioned. 94.247.89.102 (talk) 10:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The term "second seat" needs a definition. My assumption is that it refers to an astronaut who is not the mission commander. On Gemini, that's simple enough. On Apollo, it's not clear what it means. Middle Apollo seat/LM pilot? I'm not against space jockey talk, which this is, but we need to make it clear to readers. It's not clear to me. I don't see it defined in either the Gemini or Apollo main articles. The term is overused in this article and should replaced (or parenthetically defined) in several places with the word "pilot"--assuming that's correct. A one-sentence definition of the terms commander, pilot, LM pilot should be placed in an early part of the article as an aid to readers. DonFB (talk) 06:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I boldly added definitions based on terminology, which I believe to be correct, in the Gemini 10 and Apollo 11 articles. DonFB (talk) 06:36, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure exactly how to fix this, but if you sort the "Apollo astronauts who walked on the Moon" list according to Lunar EVA dates, it gets sorted alphanumerically, instead of being sorted properly. That is Young and Duke come out first because their Lunar EVA was in April, which starts with A, even if it is April 1972; Conrad and Bean come out last because their EVA was in November which starts with N, even if it was November 1969. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.161.33.2 (talk • contribs) 16:12: 21 April 2020 (UTC)
The article lists Neil Armstrong as a civilian. Please note if that can be replaced with veteran. Neil Armstrong did fly several reconnaissance and battle flights in Korea as a Navy pilot. True, the highest rank achieved as lieutenant, and lieutenant JG (junior grade) as a reservist, but a war veteran should get more recognition in an article like this. I know from experience that a veteran does get special treatment. My mother served in the Navy with my father, and they were the first married couple to join the armed forces in history. Before I was born in 1967, my mother had to retire as an ensign. In November 2011, my mother and I attended my father's funeral that was both a civilian and military service, complete with a 21 gun salute. At one point, a flag was folded and an NCO (I believe a senior chief petty officer) gave the flag to my mother and saluted. I wondered why the NCO would salute a civilian, then it occurred to my mother is a veteran and received a salute even with the low rank of ensign. I feel this article should show a similar respect to Neil Armstrong, and mention the man was indeed a veteran. Dkf12 (talk) 00:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Apollos 7 and 9 were Earth orbit flights, and five of the six astronauts who flew them were never assigned Moon missions. By extension, the SkyLab and ASTP missions used Apollo CSMs in Earth orbit. Some people call ASTP "Apollo 18". Shouldn't the astronauts of these low Earth orbit Apollo missions get their own section?
There is too much information on this page that can be better sorted in a table. Almost all of the prose is already available on the primary linksAbsolutely Certainly (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]
“Three men have been to the Moon twice, one only orbited both times…” I believe that Apollo 13 followed a free return trajectory without entering lunar orbit, as did Zond 5. If so, then Jim Lovell orbited only one time, and the two turtles and 5 mice not at all. Ian Black Blacki999 (talk) 11:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Randy. I misread somewhere that the 5 mice were aboard Zond 5 with the turtles. I assume that Command Module Pilot Ron Evans shares the records with the five mice? My comment may be moot, as the Wikipedia "Orbit" article says "Normally, orbit refers to a regularly repeating trajectory, although it may also refer to a non-repeating trajectory." Such as a circumlunar trajectory? Blacki999 (talk) 06:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The list includes just one astronaut from Apollo 10 - Tom Stafford. There were two others (John Young and Gene Cernan) on this mission who do not appear in this list..? 2A00:23CC:D214:101:1DB5:E868:169E:32E5 (talk) 11:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any consensus as to whether we should be using Y+D or Y+M+d for age at first step? Some (unrelated) "list of [youngest] records" articles use Y+D, so it seems appropriate here? Y+D is more accurate than Y+M+d, as months obviously have different lengths. 3nt0 (talk) 06:02, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]