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I'd like to alter the lead/intro along the lines of my recently reverted attempt - clean and tidy up. Also I'd like to have a go at tidying up some of the crusty stuff in the main body - old stuff from the EB1911 by the way it reads. My guess is that a lot of it is outdated, and the good stuff needs supporting wiki-links and/or references.
Particularly interested in knowing what other believe to be definitely out-of-date (i.e. wrong or questionable) in the current version. With all of this I'll try to ensure that I'm not throwing out the good with the bad - so will come here for guidance if needed.
Snori (talk) 04:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I read your previous edit and agree that the article needs some attention. But, I disagree with the removal of large chunks of material from the current intro. However, if there's a style you're following or something similar, please post a link or two. --BlindEagletalk~contribs13:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
i think their should be organizations of llama lovers on the site. I don't feel like it though! —Preceding
i soo totally agree!!! i;d like love a llama orginization of llama lovers!!! LOL-tinageorgina
unsigned comment added by Zedvinerasturi (talk • contribs) 18:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
24 January 2008 edit?
I am new so be nice! I am not sure on how strict the sources are, but I think this would qualify. I recently saw the discovery show "Dirty Jobs with Mike Row" and he was doing a big animal vet job (Season 4, episode 71 as listed on wikipedia). This included a visit to a llama farm where he partook in cutting of the fighting teeth of male llamas. When he asked why the teeth needed to be cut off, veterinarian stated that when the males fight, they sometimes bite off the testicles of the opponent so he wouldn't be able to procreate anymore. Mike laughs, and doesn't believe it at first and asks again to confirm it because he has gotten bad information before and both veterinarians verify it along with the llama farm owner. Steelgaze (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We need to be able to properly source either the quote or other information. I briefly looked at the article about the Dirty Jobs episodes and I see the episode you're talking about. However, I do not see anything specific to llama vet work. I agree that this is a fact about all camelids including llamas, alpacas and camels. However, we need to be able to properly cite the information before we include it in the article. --BlindEagletalk~contribs18:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I just checked again on the discovery website and they finally put up the full length of the episode. I watched it to see when it happens and it comes in at 18:45 into the episode. I took some direct quotes (the best I could), the conversation starts at about 18:45 to 20:00 timestamp.
Some basic info is:
Steve, owner of llama farm.
Charlene Esch, Vet. Works at Ashley Creek Animal Clinic.
Charlene : when males are fight, they can go for each others testicles or back legs.
Steve: eliminate the competition
Mike: did she just say that when males fight they bite each others testicles off?
Steve: male llamas
Mike: yes, yes
Charlene : (laughter)
...
Mike: I just want to know, you guys aren't messing with me? Because sometimes people will do this to me and I wind up putting information that is not accurate.
...
Charlie: no that's true because over the years I have treated a lot of .. umm.. some of the worst wounds we have seen are abscess and things on the back legs because that is where they kind of go for each other.
Most of this article is good, but I have some big problems with the first two sections. They often refer to the llama originating in North America. This isn't quite accurate. Camelids originated there. Llamas were domesticated from Guanacos long after they migrated to South America. Several places, the word llama should be replaced with camelid. Much of the second section describes camelids, and really belongs in the camelid article. From reading the article, its easy to get the impression that the llama is a wild animal. This needs to be cleaned up. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
llama eyelashes
My llama has eye lashes, so the 'commonly unknown' fact about eyelashes is not true.
Yes, contrary to the page at present, llamas do have eyelashes. It's clear from looking at them. And here is a source on the anatomy of the llama eye that confirms it.
Llama's
We have recently acquired 4 llamas when we moved. My grandchildren always want to take something out to feed them, but I don't know what they like. I know they eat hay and grass, however is there anywhere where it tells or does anyone know if they like any fruits, veggies, etc.