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"Brazilian actress"
Although I could not find reliable secondary sources that definitively state Morena's citizenship, in her social media, she has posts where she claims to have voted in the 2016 and 2020 US elections.[1][2][3] Is it now allowable to change "Brazilian actress" into "Brazilian-born American actress"? howdy.carabao 🌱🐃🌱 (talk) 17:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Brazillian should not be in the lede at all – she may have been born there, but she has performed no notable career activities as a "Brazillian" that I can see, and I don't think her being born in Brazil is even particularly noteworthy (e.g. under WP:CONTEXTBIO). She should either be listed as "American actress", if here U.S. citizenship can be verified, or no nationality should be listed in the lede IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. She's an American actress, moved to the US at age 7, has resided in the US since then, and has done all her notable work in the US. Birth location is irrelevant to her notability and should not be mentioned in the lead at all. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Examples at MOS:NATIONALITY reserves mentioning both if the person had notable activities in both countries. See example for Isaac Asimov which applies. Baccarin did nothing of note in the 7 years after her birth in Brazil before she moved to the US. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I find it strange and disrespectful to her to ignore her roots. She identifies as both American *and* Brazilian, therefore Brazilian-American -- while unquestionably more American. Many other artists like her are described that way ("nationality1-nationality2") and it's just weird she isn't. She is by all means Brazilian (fun fact, during the Homeland days, the cast was taken to the CIA headquarters for a visit and Morena and Damian Lewis were not allowed in certain sections of the building because they were *not* American).
We are not talking about someone who is a exclusively an American person and just happened to be born or live in another country for a few years. Her parents and most of her ancestry is Brazilian, she grew up speaking Brazilian Portuguese until they moved to the US and then at home with her parents and family once they moved. She has actively saught out work and played roles in the country, she gives interviews in the language and she is notable in Brazil. While most of her life and career has been in the US, her Brazilianness is not ignorable. It seems questionable to give her a different treatment to the many other actors and singers who have more than one nationality. For instance, and these are bad examples, Mika's wiki has him as British-Lebanese and America Ferrera's lede clarifies she's born to Honduran parents from the get-go -- even though she wasn't even born there, unlike Morena. The way Baccarin's wiki is organized right now, it's as if her being a Brazilian to Brazilian parents matter less than other artists with similar stories.
While her Brazilian career may "feel" less relevant to an American audience because they don't get to watch the shows and interviews and whatnot that she takes part in in Brazil, they are not irrelevant to herself, her career, her Brazilian audience and how many in society perceive her.
Having read the CONTEXTBIO you mention, it's still not clear these examples apply. "Notable work" in the way you describe it is relative at best.
If notoriety in the US is the main deciding factor, then no dual citizen will ever not be just "American" because most of the time their "relevant work" will only be the work that was deemed "relevant" in the US.
I can understand avoiding Brazilian hyphen American after reading the contextbio, but don't think the other suggestions apply. Specially not considering how she perceives herself and is perceived. Ultrajante (talk) 08:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To begin with, foreigners (or as latinos say: gringos) should not be the ones to get to decide if she is brazillian or not. The Constitution of the Federative Republic of Brazil claims that the brazillian citizenship can be defined『I – by birth: a) those born in the Federative Republic of Brazil, even if to foreign parents, as long as they are not in the service of their country;.』therefore, it is undeniable Morena Baccarin is Brazillian-American. Her nationality it is not determinated by rather you believe she is Brazillian or not, the law is plain. In addition, Morena Baccarin herself says she is proud of being brazillian, ommiting "Brazillian-American" is outrageous for latin people and a act of disrespect towards Morena. 2804:1B3:AB01:E654:29B5:5AB7:1B4C:1611 (talk) 17:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is questioning her citizenship status. She holds both American and Brazilian citizenship, Brazilian by birth, American by naturalization. Fairly clear by what is in the article. However she has done nothing notable in Brazil in the 7 years she lived there and has a significant body of notable work in the US in the 34 years she has lived and resided there. She left Brazil and made a choice to live and work in the US and is an American citizen. American actress is appropriate for the intro sentence. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One's nationality and descent are not determined by their contribution to a country. Morena herself adds "Brazillian born" in her biography on Instagram. What makes you think she would like you to omit "Brazillian" in the introduction? Even if being Brazillian is stated throughout the article, the introduction remains as essential as the rest of the text. Therefore, exposing such an important information from the start is crucial. 2804:1B3:AB01:E654:11C9:CEED:A534:EAAB (talk) 03:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:CONTEXTBIO is a Manual of Style for Wikipedia article that describes what goes in the lead and intro. We are all expected to follow the Wiki MOS. Ethnicity and birth location are explicitly excluded when they have no relevance as to why the person is notable which is the case for Baccarin. See also the examples as well. The one for Isaac Asimov is a similar situation. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that was true she wouldn't have been barred from entering parts of the CIA offices Clare Danes was allowed into. The cast of Homeland took a tour around CIA offices, but Morena and Damian Lewis were barred from entering certain sections of the offices *because they were not american*. You can't have it both ways. Ultrajante (talk) 07:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
