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Talk:Music of Canada

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Should Niel Young have a more prominent role in this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.24.196.21 (talk) 05:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page needs to fellate Rush moar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.181.226.152 (talk) 07:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are no images, and I find it hard to believe that such a lengthy article could come from a single reference. slambo 17:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This sure needs some work, but where was it listed as GA in the first place? Marskell 17:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the Karen Young mentioned in the "Other immigrant communities" section? Olessi 20:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there are lots of bands that were intentially left off, but it seems like an oversight to me that Doug and the Slugs was not mentioned. I went to several of their concernts in the 80's and they drew a significant audience. They also got quite a bit of airplay, including on CFNY (I loved the mention of that great radio station). I now live in the USA and Dougs and the Slugs even got a bit of airplay down here.

This is an overview article; artists named were chosen as a representative sample rather than an exhaustive list. Bearcat 18:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the February 2006 cleanup tag as there is no discussion here. Hyacinth 21:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article is pretty unreadable. Jkelly 16:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but it's going to take a seriously concerted cleanup effort; this is one of those cases where too many cooks have spoiled the broth. Bearcat 05:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have a proposal... lets re-write the whole thing. This thing was obviously written by the folkies and then added to in an ad hoc fashion by everyone else.... I think the folk section needs to become a genre section, and we need to have a debate here on what standards we need to develop for what makes a band notable. I don't know why we would mention specific bands that sold less that GOLD records, or 50,000 copies, on this article, UNLESS it was on the regional section (ie: Kim Stockwood, who I just deleted).

Lets have a meaningful discussion here about how to edit this garbage. WayeMason 00:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a gap around punk rock and hardcore punk in Canada. Propagandhi are the main band I am aware of, there is also a category:Canadian hardcore punk bands, can some mention be made? Paul foord 11:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to do so, although I am not in to punk, I will also try to address the lack on metal, and maybe bluegrass.. even though I am not particularly a fan of these genres. Maybe someone can help me out. Basser g 15:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article makes no mention of the many influential metal bands from canada —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.49.88.32 (talk) 17:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

This article needs to include some information on Electronic music in Canada. Canada has become a huge force in the electronic music industry with artists such as Sultan, Max Graham and Shiloh.

Mattpmarshall 19:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, this article needs a lot of work. It's barely adequate on mainstream pop/rock, and somewhere between marginal and abysmal on almost everything else. The problem is that because fixing this up is such a massive undertaking, and nobody on Wikipedia can claim to be an expert in every genre that needs to be reflected or improved here, there hasn't been any serious effort made to really get this cleaned up and expanded properly. So you simultaneously have to balance the conflicting facts that (a) it'll take a lot of people helping out to get this redone right, and (b) too many people doing scattershot edits is what made it such a mess in the first place. I'll try in the next couple of days to launch a comprehensive wikiproject to get this up to scratch. Bearcat 21:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As noted above, I've set up a WikiProject to deal specifically with Canadian music. It's at Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian music. Please do join if you have any interest in Canadian music — especially if you have any kind of expertise in underrepresented genres such as jazz, classical, punk, country or electronic.

In terms of how to clean this article up, I would suggest that each genre's subsection be stripped down to a relatively basic overview of the subject, which can then be expanded upon in a separate article (Canadian country music, Canadian jazz, Canadian folk music, etc.) As you can see, for some genres (Canadian rock, Canadian hip hop, Canadian classical music) this has already been done, although in some cases the content of those articles was merely cut and pasted from this one. On Canadian hip hop, in particular, further changes have been made to that text which weren't repeated here, meaning that article and this one actually now contradict each other on a couple of things.

Other suggestions are welcome — we really do need to actually deal with getting this article up to scratch, y'know? Let's start some discussion on how to do that. Bearcat 22:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that we change the "folk" section to a non-genre specific regional section. Create a folk section in the genre section, and put that genre section before the regional. Set a goal of no more than 4-5 bands sited per historic period, genre, or region, with all further bands being sited ONLY in the detailed article. We should pick the biggest musical artist from 1900-1949, 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s so far, so that is SEVEN artists/bands only, for the intro. We should ruthlessly strip this turkey down to bare bones and dump as much into the subordinate articles. WayeMason 00:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How else should the sections be structured? It looks confused between chronology and genres, going back and forth with some stray genres near the middle, and then goes into regions. There could also be a historical section for things like CANCON and VideoFACT, separate from genres, separate from regions. Music of the United States is a featured list that goes through 3 broad genres (folk, classical, pop) with subsections. –Pomte 04:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa. Now that is a well-done article. How about we look very seriously to that as a model for how to reorganize this? I'd suggest, for example, that any chronological organization should be on the genre-specific subarticles, and possibly a "timeline of Canadian music" article, rather than here; this article should be primarily an overview by genre, structured at least somewhat like the United States article. We don't have to duplicate that article precisely, of course, but we should probably take some direction from it nonetheless. I think I'll copy it to a sandbox page and start looking at ways to organize our current information into that format. Bearcat 06:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've copied the US article to User:Bearcat/Music of Canada, and trimmed it down to just the headers and a few notes here and there. Instead of making wholesale changes to the main article in the meantime, let's use that sandbox page as a template to hash out and propose ideas that we can transplant into the main article as we get them up to usable status. Feel free to jot ideas down, or even to start writing sections on that page. Bearcat 06:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about the music that is on Christianity? I mean they got to have to have at least the popular music to have christian lyrics or something. I could not especially find any sort of Christian Heavy metal Band from Canada. I mean there has got to be some of that listed. User:Virtue account 12:58 pm July 2007

Cryptopsy. See: The Pestilence That Walketh In Darkness. :awesome:--74.181.226.152 (talk) 07:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have reduced the Canadian Music Project assessment from Class B from Class A to match the World Music project ranking, and due to outstanding sourcing issues tag. However, it is assessed as Top importance for the project since this article should be something of a signature piece on Canadian music. Dl2000 01:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would have expected to see The Arrogant Worms and Moxy Fruvous on this page... do comedy songs not count? 129.42.208.174 (talk) 07:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've started an article on Canadian hardcore punk if anyone is interested.. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 18:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Music by decade Has been removed as it has multiple tags importance-sect Sub-sections|date=August 2009 Split section|date=August 2009

Articles have been incorporated into main body of article, less all the Name of groups and musicians. Buzzzsherman (talk) 03:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AS of August 8th 2009 the main body of the article had been redone. Pls take this into account when viewing this discussion page. The main Article is no longer a list of Canadian musicians..but rather a wide view of Canadian music at large. Article has been upgraded from START level to C level Quality scale Buzzzsherman (talk) 02:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian music genres moved to new artical Canadian music genres Section has been given its own Article page as per Split recommendation......... Buzzzsherman (talk) 19:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Music of Specific Canadian Cultures has been moved to its own page Music of Canadian Cultures Section has been given its own Article page.. as per Split recommendation.............. Buzzzsherman (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

.............The Article is much better then before now covering (although briefly) from 17th century onwards... But the page need much more work. There is 2 new section as mentioned above Canadian music genres and Music of Canadian Cultures this is were individual artist and musical genres should be listed. This article is now a broad look at Canada and its Musical evolution rather then a list of artist and musical genres as the article was way too long before and was slated for deletion.............

I have also asked for a peer review as i am the main contributor to the article and have rated it C Buzzzsherman (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's a lot of good information here, but the article's sectioning is lacking, and some important topics are under-discussed. First of all, both Canadian music genres and music of Canadian Cultures are inappropriate subtopics - both topics are more or less congruous: all music is part of a genre, and all music is part of a culture. Subarticles should be Music history of Canada, Canadian popular music, Canadian folk music, etc. Two sections of this article are lists, and should probably not be covered here at all.

As I see it, this article should be divided into roughly thirds, with one third being "history", one third being a summary of different kinds of music. and the last third being a discussion of music education, industry, law and other topics. Tuf-Kat (talk) 02:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i agree.. for sectioning .....WE need something like a "Social identity", "Diversity", "Scholarship" and "Industry and economics" section like Music of the United States....But i do find the United States article very very very very long and hard to navigate. Size does not make it better, but never the less we do need some more sections like mentioned above.

As for musicians mentioned in this article...only the top recording artist of there time is written about we have Canadian rock, Canadian classical music, Canadian hip hop, Canadian blues etc... for a more detailed listing of lesser influential musicians.

As for Canadian music genres and music of Canadian Cultures they were both on the page before and do not come even close to helping the main article. AS the have very few references let alone there personal views. I could see renaming the 2 new sections,,,,, but as you will notice this will take work.. and writers are hard to come by.

As for genres the article clearly indicates that after the 1950s there are to many genres to keep track of in a detailed fashion.. thus we have articles called Canadian music genres and music of Canadian Cultures that need much attention. The musicians listed in this article are the best of the best in a world wide view. Buzzzsherman (talk) 05:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree with "TUF-KAT" we need more info on the growth of individual cultures within Canada in this article. I agree with "Buzz" that only the widely internationally know artist of the highest caliber should be mentioned...WIKI is for the world to see and relate to. there is no need to mention only Canadian known people----thats Y we have Sub-Articles if people want to know more details. But when it comes to individual artist and genres we have a Banner on all Canadian music pages(not on Blues page) that links to all the Sub-genres we have at this time. They should stay separated ...but they do need work lots of work..well Canadian rock is very good..but the rest Classical · Blues · Celtic  · Hip hop · Cultural · Sub-Genres I have also noticed that Canadian County has been deleted due to lack of references (can never have to many refs) We also need a section or sub-section on the making of musical instrument in Canada and section on Canadian music media 174.115.165.184 (talk) 17:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It may be a complex array of info, but we can't just shunt off that stuff to Canadian music genres and Music of Canadian cultures, nor will renaming them help. The scope of thoese articles encompasses essentially all the topics that are actually relevant to the everyday musical lives of Canadians. Without that stuff, music of Canada can only describe history and specialized subtopics like industry and academia, which aren't really a subtantial part of the lives of most Canadians (certainly not to the degree popular music is, for example). Music of Canada should fundamentally answer the question "What roles do different kinds of music play in the lives of Canadians today?" That requires a discussion of pop, country, rock, hip hop, Quebecois music, Trinidadian-Canadian music, Inuit music, etc. I realize that's complicated and difficult, but there's no way around it - that's why music of the United States is rather long and dense. Tuf-Kat (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]