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Talk:Old Believers: Difference between revisions

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Hi all! I think it is essential to keep a balanced set of categories for this article. Look, currently there are several of them: Russia (Yes, it's a russian phenomenon, so let's keep it)

Eastern Orthodoxy Eastern Orthodox sects and heresies What about these two - actually they are just 2 viewpoints on the same topic. Ordinary Russian Orthodox (New Belivers) think that Old Believers are heretics. But Old Believers themselves certainly do not think so. Moreover, they are certainly not a sect, but just another confession, divided into several congregations. So I'm sure that at least one "good" religious category (without such offensive words as "heresy" etc.) should be preserved.

And the last category: Russian people of religion . Generally it looks like this category was initially supposed to be used for inidividual people, not for movements. If anybody is agree - maybe we should remove "Old Believers" from it.

Arseni 06 May 2005

Ok, that is a good picture. We all know that it is a painting, but it looks like a photograph. The prisoner's clothes are done so well. It makes me feel like I was there. It's like one of those "Best Photos of the 15th Century", or really good photos of a historical event. There weren't any photographs in the 15th century, but the quality is there.

I think that the word "sect" is not so offensive in the English language. The pejorative usage applies rather to the word "cult". But those are just my feelings.

I posted at talk:Raskol a rename suggestion. Maybe that article should just be merged into this one with redirect? Please take a look. Thanks. --Irpen 07:52, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

• Hi! Generally Raskol is a split, a schism. That's sligtly another subject. One thing is to write about the schism in some religion, another thing is to write about the parts on which the religion splitted. I think both articles should exist. For example the very process of Patriarch Nikon reforms is a very interested subject, and it would be much better to place it in the Raskol article rather than in this one. The reforms themselves have a little common with the Old Believers as a denomination. I'm agains the merging. Arseni 09:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To keep all discussions at one place, I responded at talk:raskol. --Irpen 05:19, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I called the low bows (земные поклоны) kowtows as Lingvo suggests. Now they are replaced by prostrations. The stange thing is that the article prostration leads to a medical term for exhaustion. Are you really sure the change is correct? Arseni 18:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

re the quote: phylosophycal basis of Old Believers was opposite of that of Protestants.

I think this is too strong. Actually, protestants were also presenting themselves as "keepers" of the original teaching, rather than reformers. They claimed that the RC is corrupt and deviated from the source (Bible) and called for the return to "original" christianity. Should we modify this paragraph? --Irpen 21:18, August 13, 2005 (UTC)