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http://www.eurasiareview.com/15052014-new-tensions-south-china-sea-whose-sovereignty-paracels-analysis/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/world/asia/china-vietnam-paracels/

http://www.rsis.edu.sg/about_rsis/staff_profiles/Sam_Bateman.html

User:103.152.9.17 has recently done a number of edits to the history section using editorials in Filipino newspapers and a video documentary as secondary sources and removing some potentially verifiable text with no individual change justification. The section does not generally use, where they may be available, academic and peer-reviewed publications which are usually the most reliable sources on topics such as history. Attempted verification of the name of a document in French removed without explanation suggested it is possible that WP:CIRC might apply in potential 2011 Vietnamese language sources. The section as presently written may not be neutral so I have marked for improvement. ChaseKiwi (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer to take even stronger action and restore the last clean diff. All of IP's edits lacked edit summaries. The profusion of timestamp-less YouTube sources is unhelpful and an obstacle to verifiability. YouTube is, of course, a disfavored source. This is an extensively discussed topic in the academe and perennial RS, there are Wikipedia:BESTSOURCES available, which these are not. JArthur1984 (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nature of recent reverted edits to Strongylodon macrobotrys suggest we do have a neutrality issue that I was unaware of when notice posted. I have also noted recent edits to Timeline of the South China Sea dispute and South China Sea Arbitration that have not been justified and are using similar sources. ChaseKiwi (talk) 22:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The edits that concern you all seem to have been recently made by anon editor 103.152.9.17. Perhaps it is better to target that IP and those edits for a closer look. The ones I have looked at involve two sources, both badly cited in the articles. One is this 1+ hour YouTube video by retired Philippine Supreme Court justice Antonio Carpio, who has taken a special interest in the Nine-dash line and everything related to it. Carpio is a notable, knowledgeable, credible, expert, weighty source on these issues who takes a very one-sided POV on that topic. Other weighty sources disagree. WP:DUE describes policy regarding and provides guidelines for handling such that such POV disagreements between weighty sources. I don't think that the fact that Carpio's views are cited there in a YouTube video vs. an academic journal de-values those views, but I do think that the source needs to be cited in a way that is useful to WP users reading the articles -- see my edits to cites here to clarify what I mean by that, and note that my edits do not solve the citation problems, but do suggest how they might be solved. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]