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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vo Chi Cong → Võ Chí Công – Relisted Alpha Quadrant ^talk 18:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Correct name should have diacritics; non-diacritical name should be redirect. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 13:25, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. Subject is a Vietnamese exclusively notable for actions in Vietnam. No reason not to use the correct spelling. —  AjaxSmack  20:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Support ditto. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose On Google Books, there are 512 post-1990 English-language results, only 1 with these diacritics. The one exception is misclassified and not actually in English. The most official source, his Vietnam News Agency obituary, does not use diacritics. There are more examples from Associated Press, Vietnam+, Los Angeles Times, and The Scotsman. The title of the article should tell the reader what the subject's common name is, not mislead him on the issue of whether Vietnamese diacritics are in fact mainstream usage. Vietnamese names all have diacritics in Vietnamese, but such diacritics are not normally included in the English-language form of the name, not even by sources like BritannicaorNational Geographic, both of which use diacritics for European languages. It seems that someone has manipulated the sourcing for this article to make it appear that English-language sources are using the diacritics when in fact none of them do. The subject appeared in numerous news accounts during the war as a Vietcong spokesperson. There has been some controversy concerning the use of diacritics on Wiki in recent months, but the practice of doing Vietnam War-related titles without diacritics reflects longstanding consensus. See Ho Chi Minh, Ngo Dinh Diem, or Category:People_of_the_Vietnam_War Kauffner (talk) 08:27, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I must add that the attitude of the nom, which implies that VNA, VOV News, Thanh Nien, Nhan Dan Newspaper, Tuoi Tre News and the rest of the English-language Vietnamese media don't know how to spell Vietnamese names correctly, is most patronizing. During the war, the South Vietnamese government promoted the use of diacritics in English, so their use has always been limited in the communist media. Kauffner (talk) 13:03, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the sources you mention limit use of diacritics due to technical limitations, style manuals, or laziness. Wikipedia does not suffer these limitations. See also User:Prolog/Diacritical marks for additional affirmative reasons why they should be used. —  AjaxSmack  23:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per Kauffner. Reliable English-language sources from Vietnam do not use diacritics, so neither should we. It is purely speculation that diacritics have not been included due to technical limitations. Jenks24 (talk) 08:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I used to buy the "technical limitations" argument myself. But several of these news sites were set up fairly recently and only one of them uses diacritics -- which of course shows that they can do it. Kauffner (talk) 11:01, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. The name appears to be most commonly spelled without the diacritics, and why this may be so is not of primary importance. Andrewa (talk) 13:12, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. It is impossible to type diacriticals for most English speakers, leave the specifics for the intro. Ogress _smash! 05:42, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Reconsidered; diacritics in the title would make it very incongruous when all other Vietnam-related articles don't have them. Michaelmas1957 (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per recent discussion in Jimbo Wales talk archive, where Jimbo comes out against this excessive use of diacritics for non-English titles. 70.24.247.40 (talk) 00:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who is Jimbo Wales? 98.204.234.150 (talk) 14:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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