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Hi {{u|Thismess}}, your recent edit [[Special:Diff/1184227836]] (which I reverted in [[Special:Diff/1190199519]]) removed all media organizations from this template. Your edit was accompanied by your removal of this template from a number of articles about anti-Muslim websites listed in this template, including the following edits: |
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* [[Special:Diff/1184228528]]: Removal of template from [[Document.no]] article |
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* [[Special:Diff/1185635572]]: Removal of template from ''[[FrontPage Magazine]]'' article |
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* [[Special:Diff/1185983678]]: Removal of template from [[Jihad Watch]] article |
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While your edit summary in [[Special:Diff/1184227836]] claims that your edits are supported by consensus, it is unclear which discussions that claim is based on. The corresponding template for [[antisemitism]], [[Template:Antisemitism sidebar]], has the sections "Antisemitic publications" and "Antisemitism on the Internet" which contain lists of antisemitic media outlets that are much more comprehensive than the "Media" section of this template is for anti-Muslim websites, so there is clearly no consensus to remove all media organizations from all templates related to discrimination. I have reverted all of the removals per [[WP:BRD]] pending discussion. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 07:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Hello, everyone. I recently removed some of the incidents listed under "specific incidents" because the list was getting incredibly long. Here is my justification for removing the following: |
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*[[Bosphorus serial murders]] - The targets for these murders were mostly Muslim, but the cause for targeting the neo-Nazis targeted the victims due to anti-immigrant and racial hatred, not so much Islamophobia. |
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:These attacks were targeted against Turkish Muslims. They even sent a letter to the Islamic centre in Hamburg after one of their attacks. You said [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islamophobia&diff=782757718&oldid=782719090 racial hatred is often mixed with Islamophobia] if all the members of a race such as Rohingya are Muslims (such is the case in Myanmar). This is also the case here. In Germany, anti-Turkism and islamophobia go together, because Turks are the largest Muslim group in Germany. |
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*[[Lasithi massacres]] - This was definitely a targeted campaign against Ottoman Muslims, but term Islamophobia is a relatively new term (post-1970's, and especially post-1990's) and this massacre took place in 1897. I included on the page for [[Islamophobic incidents]], but it's more appropriate for [[Persecution of Muslims]] or [[Persecution of Ottoman Muslims]]. |
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*[[2009–10 Malmö shootings]] - While main of the targets for the crimes were Muslim, the motivation was racial hatred and general anti-immigrant sentiment. |
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*[[Solingen arson attack of 1993]] - Same as above; while main of the targets for the crimes were Turkish, the motivation was racial hatred and general anti-immigrant sentiment. |
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: Again, all targeted were Turksish Muslims. You said [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islamophobia&diff=782757718&oldid=782719090 racial hatred is often mixed with Islamophobia] if all the members of a race such as Rohingya are Muslims (such is the case in Myanmar). This is also the case here. In Germany, anti-Turkism and islamophobia go together, because Turks are the largest Muslim group in Germany. You cannot separate Islamophobia and racial hatred against Turks in Germany. |
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*[[Trollhättan school attack]] - Swedish police stated that the motive behind the attack had "racist motives" and that it was a "hate crime," less hatred of Muslims and Islam. |
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All of these incidents are listed on the [[Islamophobic incidents]] page, but I think we should save the sidebar for blatant and clear Islamophobic attacks like the [[Quebec City mosque shooting]] and the [[Bosnian Genocide]]. Thanks. [[User:Kamalthebest|Kamalthebest]] ([[User talk:Kamalthebest|talk]]) 21:07, 26 March 2017 (UTC) |
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:I have encountered problems with Thismess's removal's of categories in the past, to do with islamophobia in instances where Thismess has claimed (in edit summaries) that the articles in question don't support the categories. Simple googles searches and the addition of sourced material have indicated that the articles do support said categories. I have thought about leaving warnings on Thismess's page in relation to this but I couldn't be bothered. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b>]]''<sup>[[User talk:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b>]]</sup> 10:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Kamalthebest}} Good job! [[User:Shellwood|Shellwood]] ([[User talk:Shellwood|talk]]) 12:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC) |
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::{{bcc|TarnishedPath}}In the spirit of [[WP:BRD]], it would make sense to leave a message on the talk page of the article when these removals are reverted. This provides a record of the reversion that is more easily accessible than the article history, and lets other editors get a better understanding of what the consensus is should the removals be made or proposed again. — '''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 02:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I will do so in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b>]]''<sup>[[User talk:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b>]]</sup> 02:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 December 19#Template:Islamophobia - result: no consensus.
HiThismess, your recent edit Special:Diff/1184227836 (which I reverted in Special:Diff/1190199519) removed all media organizations from this template. Your edit was accompanied by your removal of this template from a number of articles about anti-Muslim websites listed in this template, including the following edits:
While your edit summary in Special:Diff/1184227836 claims that your edits are supported by consensus, it is unclear which discussions that claim is based on. The corresponding template for antisemitism, Template:Antisemitism sidebar, has the sections "Antisemitic publications" and "Antisemitism on the Internet" which contain lists of antisemitic media outlets that are much more comprehensive than the "Media" section of this template is for anti-Muslim websites, so there is clearly no consensus to remove all media organizations from all templates related to discrimination. I have reverted all of the removals per WP:BRD pending discussion. — Newslinger talk 07:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
