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Hello, everyone. I recently removed some of the incidents listed under "specific incidents" because the list was getting incredibly long. Here is my justification for removing the following:

• Bosphorus serial murders - The targets for these murders were mostly Muslim, but the cause for targeting the neo-Nazis targeted the victims due to anti-immigrant and racial hatred, not so much Islamophobia.

These attacks were targeted against Turkish Muslims. They even sent a letter to the Islamic centre in Hamburg after one of their attacks. You said racial hatred is often mixed with Islamophobia if all the members of a race such as Rohingya are Muslims (such is the case in Myanmar). This is also the case here. In Germany, anti-Turkism and islamophobia go together, because Turks are the largest Muslim group in Germany.

• Lasithi massacres - This was definitely a targeted campaign against Ottoman Muslims, but term Islamophobia is a relatively new term (post-1970's, and especially post-1990's) and this massacre took place in 1897. I included on the page for Islamophobic incidents, but it's more appropriate for Persecution of MuslimsorPersecution of Ottoman Muslims.
• 2009–10 Malmö shootings - While main of the targets for the crimes were Muslim, the motivation was racial hatred and general anti-immigrant sentiment.
• Solingen arson attack of 1993 - Same as above; while main of the targets for the crimes were Turkish, the motivation was racial hatred and general anti-immigrant sentiment.

Again, all targeted were Turksish Muslims. You said racial hatred is often mixed with Islamophobia if all the members of a race such as Rohingya are Muslims (such is the case in Myanmar). This is also the case here. In Germany, anti-Turkism and islamophobia go together, because Turks are the largest Muslim group in Germany. You cannot separate Islamophobia and racial hatred against Turks in Germany.

• Trollhättan school attack - Swedish police stated that the motive behind the attack had "racist motives" and that it was a "hate crime," less hatred of Muslims and Islam.

All of these incidents are listed on the Islamophobic incidents page, but I think we should save the sidebar for blatant and clear Islamophobic attacks like the Quebec City mosque shooting and the Bosnian Genocide. Thanks. Kamalthebest (talk) 21:07, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kamalthebest: Good job! Shellwood (talk) 12:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Australia has a noteworthy number of far right anti-islam hate groups, would it be reasonable to add some of them to the list? these four in particular:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reclaim_Australia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Society_of_Australia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Blue_Crew - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Patriots_Front

Any thoughts? Bacondrum (talk) 01:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Four extra Australian organisations might be undue weight on the template - that would bring the number of Australian groups to five out of 18. ([[Australian Defence League is already listed.) With the Q Society it seems inappropriate, and the template there should be removed - the only Islamophobia mentioned in the article is from a guest speaker a a meeting. True Blue Crew is called "anti-Islam" in the article, but there is no reference to it being "Islamophobic". Disclosure: I came here after discussions with User:BacondrumatTalk:Reclaim_Australia. StAnselm (talk) 03:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:StAnselm If they are Islamophobic then they are Islamophobic, how many of them there are is irrelevant. How is being Anti-Islam any different to being Islamophobic? To be honest I don't trust your intentions, not one little bit. I came here to ask pretty much anyone but you Saint, not to be hounded by your determined efforts to present the far-right in a positive light. I'm sure others here can make there own observations and judgements without you trying to manipulate the presentation of anti-Islam groups. Bacondrum (talk) 04:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]