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Since 2010 is not over, plz do not put any data of 2010 on, because it is PROJECTED, it is not real. It is childish to make it LOOKS better.

You are the one who is making an unsourced data of 2010 I am the one who is changing the data back to 2009 watch carefully. So stop changing the data back to 2010, since there is no real 2010 data comes out, it is all PROJECTED.

hallo sodabottle, i appreciate you pointing out my mistakes correcting Tamil spellings here. thanks.

First of all, thanks for your support in the discussion :-). Template:Kanchipuram district has been saved. By the way, will it be possible for you to get the list of members who functioned in the Governor's executive council for the period 1857 to 1947 and their portfolios. I wish it would be great if the details could be added to the articles pertaining to each Governor. Probably, article on each Governor could have something similar to the "Cabinet" tables we created for Raja of Panagal and other Chief Ministers. A list of member of each Governor's executive council and the portfolio the member held would be great.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 12:25, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The following details are needed.

Full name

• L. A. Govindaraghava Aiyar
• V. I. Munuswamy Pillai
• S. Muthiah Mudaliar
• P. T. Srinivasa Iyengar
• R. N. Arogyasamy Mudaliar
• C. Natesa Mudaliar

Date of death and full name

• C. Jambulingam Mudaliar (date of birth also not available)
• S. Kumaraswami Reddiar
• M. R. Sethuratnam Iyer
• A. Ranganatha Mudaliar

Date of birth and death needed

• R. V. Srinivasa Aiyar

- The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 12:35, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will be hitting the library in a couple of weeks. I believe i can get the details on the cabinet (saw them on a book somewhere)--Sodabottle (talk) 14:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

APPEAL TO YOU Reg: [BRAHMAN PUJAN] , [UNIVERSAL PRAYERS] . written by [Naresh Sonee] On wikipedia , These above two pages are far older than the present article [Brahman] References of above titles are also available on New York site - Meanwhile, Can your good selves in Wiki Indian Community re-create a precise pages on [Naresh Sonee] & his book [Brahmand Pujan] – [Brahmaand Pujan] . However, Sonee is the writer of this book [Brahmand Pujan] written in 1999 . registered with Government of India- HRRD. Details of the registration is provided here on http://brhmaandpujanbook.tripod.com/ . More than sufficient, news and reviews are there on http://brhmaandpujan-news-reviews.tripod.com/ Since 5-6 yrs, for one or the other reason pages of [Naresh Sonee] & [Brahmand Pujan] are faced by communal bias from outside India so these articles over and again get deleted here in Wikipedia for minor reasons. However, many hits of - Naresh Sonee reflects on google search engine also. So, I request Wiki Indian community to kindly come forward and generously help these two pages to grow, as I am fed up to fight my case alone here [left] and moved out long back. Meanwhile, such an important info/issue on ‘Indian literature’ which adds & spell ‘new meaning /dimension’ to Brahman -should it stay lost else ignored? Your community panel has to judge at last. Myself, will not be on Wikipedia, for the same i apologise, but- pls. help these two pages to get reinstalled, reap, sow and grow, if you too feel so, I appeal to do this munificent favour. Regards- [Alansun] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dralansun (talk • contribs) 05:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated this article, if you have time, can you look into it please ? Thanks Kanatonian (talk) 23:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi sodabottle. I feel like changing the present lead image here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chennai_Montage_New.png) --> to this (http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D:Chennai_montage.JPG). The second one is more apt and rightly touches every section in a good way. It resembles better and quality is good. I understand that first one is recently updated one (Nov 2010), but it lacks something. I would like to make a change. Share your concerns as your view/input.

Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 12:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

start a discussion in the chennai talk page. the current montage was arrived at after quite some discussion, so it would be better to change it after another discussion. As for myself, i have no preference to either. both look ok to me--Sodabottle (talk) 12:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled upon the following link associated with one of page under my page protection and just released ( at : http://www.google.com/search?q=User%3APatelurology2%2FThe+White+eagle&btnG=Search&hl=en ) as searched under Google and showed Huggle/Whitelist as a page where I was listed ( searched by control F function on a cryptic page). Seems this is a list of contributors who have been deemed to be non-vandals. This page and associated pages need translation in many languages and you can dissemenate this info.

Wikipedia:Huggle/Whitelist - Noted myself on Huggle White list on Jan 13, 2011

Patelurology2 (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have searched a lot and got only 32 no. of universities worldwide, teaching Tamil. I think there will not be more universities. If the universities have Tamil department, definitely they will include in their website, which will be available in Google. Most of the universities has Indian language department, but does not teach Tamil. I have searched a lot and got only this much number of universities. So i think we can include the links in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajaram Sarangapani (talk • contribs) 08:48, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

replied in the article talk page, please continue the discussion there.--Sodabottle (talk) 08:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for help with the page. will call for more help before page launch.

Patelurology2 (talk) 13:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

that page is already in mainspace, so take care to add references or someone might come along and delete it--Sodabottle (talk) 13:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, its really nice to see you as a Mentor over here. I can already see 3 Indians on the list (including me). Have a good time! TheMike •^{Wassup doc?} 19:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!. Yep its actually payback time for me. When i was a noob, people were incredibly helpful (at that time i dint know how newbies could be bitten here). So i am now returning the favour--Sodabottle (talk) 19:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually very new over here compared to you. Though I have had a registered account for 4 years, I started serious editing since August last year. My tale is quite the opposite: I was never welcomed, and my first barnstar came just two days back. So I guess I'll have to make sure the newbies are better welcomed.! TheMike •^{Wassup doc?} 19:17, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to drop by to say thanks for correctly editing the Strange Meeting Wilfred Owen page. I am new to Wikipedia editing, so I pretty much blundered the format. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shan1209 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am finding disruptive edits by the user Mr Spaceman on the Tamil language article under "Geographic distribution". This is particular reference to Tamil spoken by small minorities in Gujarat and Manipur. Even though references have been provided the lines are deleted.

It appears "experts" are having a field day blocking anything they want without verifying the truth and appear they dont read the "discussion".

--தொழில்நுட்பம் (talk) 14:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Personal insults and sarcasm will get you nowhere. Did you read the discussion at all?. I had raised the question, what states we can add, because we cannot add every state that has tamil speaking minorities (because all states in india have tamil speaking minorities) And i provided a link to the list of tamil speakers in other states. You are fixated on gujarat and manipur and now insulting people who are trying to reason with you. --Sodabottle (talk) 14:28, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And now you are edit warring logged out. Thats a sure way to get yourself blocked.--Sodabottle (talk) 14:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "personal insults and sarcacism"? Manipur is a small state and yet has a good presence of Tamil culture. The cross border trade with Burma is controlled to a large extent. So is business Gujarat, where Tamils are in good proportion. You are using a comparison by whole population. Scientific? Have you visited the country Bangladesh? Yes the hidden secret is the forgotten Tamils there. There is a sizeable number and do some research (outside of the Internet) - I am sure you will do that. OK, I dont care if I am blocked. Wikipedia is supposed to hold the truth but obviously we have a stumbling block of too many "experts". The discussion forum had the links. You are free to block anyone because I suppose you are one of the owners of Wikipedia. It is your right and not mine. But that does not hide the truth. If you are insulted, excuse, but you are successful in blocking the truth. Congrats. --தொழில்நுட்பம் (talk) 16:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by தொழில்நுட்பம் (talk • contribs)

I wasn't convinced of the slur status. Still have doubts about that.--Wangond (talk) 15:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"slur" is probably a stronger word for what it is. it sure does have negative connatations, especially after the "madarasi hatao" campaign by the sainiks in the 50s, but if you want more opinions/second look raise a discussion in the india noticeboard.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

You seem to have removed my external link entry to this page. Its a link to the details of his composing career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kannur_Rajan&action=history

Can I know why it was deleted? I'm pretty new to editing in Wiki so help me out here

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by SJ MSI (talk • contribs) 21:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

replied in your talk page. (basically violates WP:EL as it seems you are affiliated with the website)--Sodabottle (talk) 03:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concern. Please do me a favour. Can you take a moment to click this link. http://www.malayalasangeetham.info/php/masterIndex.php. Please read the first para. This site is "not for profit" site. We are not earning anything by running this site. This site basically gives out information about the musical artists in Kerala. This site is for those who wants to know the details of a long lost song. This is the most comprehensive databasesite in any language in India. The owner of this site spends his own money each year to run this site. There are numerous dedicated music lovers who maintain this site during their free time. I'm just one of them.

I'm posting the relevant links to the WIKi pages so that 'more relevant' information about that artist is available. For e.g if you click on that link it gives you the details of collaboration with other artists, no of song for each year..etc etc....

Thats all I'm doing

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by SJ MSI (talk • contribs) 14:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I understand MSI is a very good resource for Malayalam music. I will go through the links i removed and i will add them where relevant. But i do request you to not add the links in the future. The policy makes no difference between commercial and non-commercial sites, so if you add them someone else will eventually remove them. External links are a highly scrutinised and sensitive issue in Wikipedia, because SEO and advertising people repeatedly abuse them to drive traffic to their sites. Thus the extra strict guidelines.

I will take a look at the articles i removed the links and will readd them at my discretion. Thanks for your patience.--Sodabottle (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok.. Thanks I appreciate you taking the time to look into the facts... — Preceding unsigned comment added by SJ MSI (talk • contribs) 15:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Did you even read the article??? It runs 3-4 pages - Heres the bits -- I read all the articles I referred and used them! //// Each set, each director’s working style, was different. There was the casual chaos and amiable anarchy of Pothen, the military discipline of Balachander, the unassuming, unobtrusive, presence of Singeetam. They all had one thing in common: Kamal, a dervish of creativity, bustling here, there, everywhere, involving himself (some would even say, interfering) in every aspect of filmmaking. He would suggest alternate ways of doing scenes. He would introduce props into the scene the set designer had not thought of. No actor, to my mind, uses props better. If there is a corner table, he will trip over it. If there is a low-hanging lamp, he will bump into it. If there is anything at all on a set that is not nailed down, he will find a way to use it. He would engage in animated discussions with everyone, from his fellow artistes to the lightboys, cinematographer, dance choreographer, director, whoever. Why, I once asked him. Why do you have this urge to get involved in everything, when your fellow actors (the honorable exceptions, to lesser or greater degree, being Malayalam stars Mammootty and Mohanlal) are content to give their shot and retire to their reserved chairs, waiting till they are called for the next shot? /// http://in.rediff.com/movies/2003/nov/08kamal1.htm

Imemadhu (talk) 04:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i read it. But is it enough to say he is involved in "every aspect"? we know he gets involved in a lot of things and the ref supports that. We can't use a superlative adjective ("every aspect"). At best we can use it as a quote from panicker thats it. I am trying to get rid of the npov/fan pov tag from the article and trust me, if such language is used, the tag wont go. It is an obviously well written and researched article and if we tone down the language to match wikipedia standards it will come out very well.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I understand about the neutrality and tone. Would "several" aspects be fair. I am sure you know, he is involved in several apsects. Also, Regarding "Bankruptcy section" removal, I can give you a video interview of Kamal himself saying it, that was featured in Indian channel Star Plus but in youtube. Can you let me know if you can use this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmYSePwk3Q4

Imemadhu (talk) 04:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes "several" is more apt than "many". The bankruptcy part runs foul of our WP:BLP policy. Basically we try to avoid putting in something very negative (even if the subject admits is publicly) if it is not directly related to his life/career etc. Probably the bankruptcies can be mentioned in a single line next to the one describing his activities as a producer (i assume his production work led to the bankruptcies? If they didnt we probably should be including them there, may be in the personal life section as a single line)--Sodabottle (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just worked on Balachandar and Mani's comments on Kamal in my user-page. The "Famous quotes" section that was removed. Let me know if they are fine. To get the heck of what you actually want. Thanks!

Imemadhu (talk) 05:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have summarised them as prose. The direct quotes, should go in as footnotes in a shortened form. Now with a few more lines from his detractors (how he rips off stuff, attention hogging, credit mongering, "arrogance" etc), we can add this after "awards and honors" section. Regarding the "torch bearer" section - you can try a "film advocacy" section with his work on conducting screenwriting workshops etc--Sodabottle (talk) 06:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I reworked on the entire piece. I will get the negative parts of Kamal too. Pls confirm if you are fine with the tone. Future negative comments could be added. SRK's quote, Madhavan and Panicker are huge and so apt. Dont wan't to use their names in a line for the heck of mentioning.

Imemadhu (talk) 07:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If the quotes are not substantially different - but just praise in different ways (i wanted to touch him etc), it is no use adding them. It will again become a quote farm. "Huge" is a subjective term, what appears as huge to you, just appears like typical film industry backscratching to me (except for panicker's). If they dont add anything new about Kamal's work etc, it is better to keep them as mentions in the main article and add the quotation as a foot note. It is better to keep the entire section short and to the point.

An encyclopaedic article is completely different from a news report - what appears as substantive in the later does not appear so in the former. "sheepishly admitted", "wanted to touch him", " if he had to wait for an actor, it had to be someone who " "once famously quoted" are outright anathema here. If this language gets in the article, rest assured "fan language" "pov" tag too will get in. --Sodabottle (talk) 07:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sodabottle,

Its not a single month data. Please check the reference again. Its from April to November (8 Months), its very much enough for rankings.

--Bijuts (talk) 14:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I just read your message on Bijuts' talk page. You said: It's we avoid the "busiest airport" rankings for now and wait for more data. I just wanted to know if this is applicable to only BLR and MAA or these airports as well: COK, CCU, HYD? Thanks, Why so serious? ^{Talk to me} 14:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just changed my mind after Biju pointed out we have 8 month data (i didnt see it). I believe now we can reinstate the "busiest airport" sentences but with a clarification like. For the period of Apr-Nov 2010, XXXX airport is Yth busiest or something.--Sodabottle (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. But how exactly should it be mentioned? Is busiest ranking in overall traffic enough or do we have to include the busiest ranking in terms of international traffic too separately? Why so serious? ^{Talk to me} 15:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes my friend, you are right. But for the period of....it was the... not a gud idea. Whenever AAI statistics out we can change accordingly like census data. and about Intl and domestic seperation, CIAL is the only exceptional. So we can reinstate der only or as usual.

--Bijuts (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And also 2007 and 2011 data. No changes in major rankings except 1st and 2nd (Mumbai and Delhi). So better to depend on AAI Data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijuts (talk • contribs) 15:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just for continuity in the discussion, I'm placing this what you posted on Bijuts' talk page:

I am drafting a sample sentence below:

For the period of Apr-Nov 2010, It was the xth busiest airport in terms of overall passenger traffic and yth busiest in terms of international passenger traffic

--Sodabottle (talk) 15:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So can we have the list then?

1. DEL: Overall: 1st, International: 1st
2. BOM: Overall: 2nd, International: 2nd
3. MAA: Overall: 3rd, International: 3rd
4. BLR: Overall: 4th, International: 5th
5. CCU: Overall: 5th, International: 7th
6. HYD: Overall: 6th, International: 6th
7. COK: Overall: 7th, International: 4th

Correct me if I'm wrong. Why so serious? ^{Talk to me} 15:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To Biju - For clarity's sake it is better we add the time period. Yesterday there was a confusion because a website compared data from two different time periods and arrived at the wrong conclusion. This sort of thing happens often in the Indian media. So if we make it very clear which source we are using and which time period, we avoid any future errors and possible edit wars. --Sodabottle (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To Abhishek - The ranking is fine with me.--Sodabottle (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So shall I go ahead and make the necessary changes? Why so serious? ^{Talk to me} 15:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes abhishek. i believe we have a rough consensus. Please add them--Sodabottle (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on it now. :):) Why so serious? ^{Talk to me} 15:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Friend,

Abhishek is getting emotional now. His rankings are ok. Understand my exceptional meaning - Except CIAL all other major airports intl and domestic rankings almost same or near. Right? Dts y I suggest to retain it.

--Bijuts (talk) 15:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Biju, we have the issue settled roughly. Please let this drop. "almost same or near" is a subjective thing. For me the difference for CIAL between 4th and 7th isn't that much different for BIAL's 3rd and 5th. It is a trivial issue, that does not belong in the lead. If there is an indepth third party article, which discusses this difference specifically (i guess the difference is because of the direct gulf flights to cochin right?), use it to source this information within the article. Else it becomes WP:OR and undue to mention it.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've completed the same. Please check it and make any necessary changes. Why so serious? ^{Talk to me} 16:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great work Abhishek. Will take a look. (I have archived oru discussion here to chennai airport talk pages for future reference.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now the issue is solved. Abhishek's last edits are good ones. Happy editing. Ok. Then, I want to know more about the delta region, which was the most religious and rich cultural history region in South India?

--Bijuts (talk) 16:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi dude please see the Indian Flag once,saffron ,green and blue are the only colours u will find,all the three are highlighted in both the templates.you know? congress has all these 3 colours in it's flag but u r pointing me as an BJPian which has only two,saffron and green???.Instead i did not include lotus in the template.Please do not consider it as an agenda or propoganada,i'm neutral.i do not mix my ideologies with my wiki.thank you -SunilShamnur talk —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Calling me a "vandal" is an insult. (i posted my rational in the talk page. A vandal is one who disrupts articles) A prominent Saffron/Green colour scheme is giving a BJP flag colour appearance. I will post this issue in the india notice board to get more inputs.--Sodabottle (talk) 18:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am extremely sorry,if u consider it as an insult.i did mean to hurt you,anyway i request please do not complicate the issue.cheers-SunilShamnur talk