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The result was '''delete'''. I think the last rationale is the most succinct one here - as it (and others) have pointed out, unless the article pulled together ''every'' occasion on which China was involved in another countries' affairs (which would be a ludicrously long article) this is effectively OR. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 01:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::Favor '''deletion''': As per above, plus |
::Favor '''deletion''': As per above, plus |
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:::#The article cannot meet the suggestions for alternatives to deletion at [[WP:ATD]], such as editing or merging because "interference" cannot be defined neutrally. The article is POV by its very nature. |
:::#The article cannot meet the suggestions for alternatives to deletion at [[WP:ATD]], such as editing or merging because "interference" cannot be defined neutrally. The article is POV by its very nature. |
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:::#A search of Wilkipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=interference+of+&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=cc469wztpv548tgba6q6typq1 interference of] finds no other article for any other country. I do not see, for instance, [[List of foreign political events with the interference of Russia]] or [[List of foreign political events with the interference of the United States]]. Maybe this search is not correctly framed, or material may exist within another article, but I do not see it. |
:::#A search of Wilkipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=interference+of+&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=cc469wztpv548tgba6q6typq1 interference of] finds no other article for any other country. I do not see, for instance, [[List of foreign political events with the interference of Russia]] or [[List of foreign political events with the interference of the United States]]. Maybe this search is not correctly framed, or material may exist within another article, but I do not see it. ::[[User:CWH|ch]] ([[User talk:CWH|talk]]) 21:12, 29 October 2017 (UTC) |
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::Oppose '''deletion''': You may delete the content there is not with reasonable citation. However, many of the events listed were with reliable citation, and were included in other WikiPedia article. Hong Kong and Macau is regarded as not Part of China in many technical context. The reason of listing the respective incidents are therefore justified. Hong Kong and Macau are not only internal affairs of China, but also places that should be protected by international treaties. An ignorance of the treaties should also be considered as interfenence of affairs of the other treaty-signing country.[[User:Universehk|Universehk]] ([[User talk:Universehk|talk]]) 19:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC) |
::Oppose '''deletion''': You may delete the content there is not with reasonable citation. However, many of the events listed were with reliable citation, and were included in other WikiPedia article. Hong Kong and Macau is regarded as not Part of China in many technical context. The reason of listing the respective incidents are therefore justified. Hong Kong and Macau are not only internal affairs of China, but also places that should be protected by international treaties. An ignorance of the treaties should also be considered as interfenence of affairs of the other treaty-signing country.[[User:Universehk|Universehk]] ([[User talk:Universehk|talk]]) 19:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::Oppose '''deletion''': The title is a bit biased, It should say 'involvement' instead of 'interference' as interference is too broad. Actually there a a page similar to foreign events with the interference of the United states and its [[United States involvement in regime change]]. I don't see a proposal to delete that page. While inclusion of Macau and Hong Kong is debatable, there plenty of reasonable citation in major international events and if there is any highly speculative entries, those entries can be deleted on said grounds, but not the entire wikipedia page. [[DoctorHell]]([[User talk:DoctorHell|talk]]) 06:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC) |
::Oppose '''deletion''': The title is a bit biased, It should say 'involvement' instead of 'interference' as interference is too broad. Actually there a a page similar to foreign events with the interference of the United states and its [[United States involvement in regime change]]. I don't see a proposal to delete that page. While inclusion of Macau and Hong Kong is debatable, there plenty of reasonable citation in major international events and if there is any highly speculative entries, those entries can be deleted on said grounds, but not the entire wikipedia page. [[DoctorHell]]([[User talk:DoctorHell|talk]]) 06:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::::'''Comment'''Daduxing, before attempted say there are no pages with similar activities and now there is one you attempt to justify they are different. It's similar activities under a different name. During the Cold War, USA and its allies sponsored 'Regime change' to gain sphere of influence as well as Russia and China and its allies, there plenty of examples in this article. Many other wikipedia pages uses news sites as sources. Blaming one user for failing 'to fix the problem' is not justifiable reason for deletion. [[DoctorHell]]([[User talk:DoctorHell|talk]]) 16:34, 5 November (UTC) |
::::'''Comment'''Daduxing, before attempted say there are no pages with similar activities and now there is one you attempt to justify they are different. It's similar activities under a different name. During the Cold War, USA and its allies sponsored 'Regime change' to gain sphere of influence as well as Russia and China and its allies, there plenty of examples in this article. Many other wikipedia pages uses news sites as sources. Blaming one user for failing 'to fix the problem' is not justifiable reason for deletion. [[DoctorHell]]([[User talk:DoctorHell|talk]]) 16:34, 5 November (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Indiscriminate list with no clear criteria. There's everything here from China participating in multilateral talks, China selling arms, alleged Chinese spies, Chinese businessman making donations, stuff about HK and Macau which probably doesn't qualify as foreign. Many of these things are things that most countries do, but this article is hopelessly non-neutral. ---- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 02:26, 5 November 2017 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. Indiscriminate list with no clear criteria. There's everything here from China participating in multilateral talks, China selling arms, alleged Chinese spies, Chinese businessman making donations, stuff about HK and Macau which probably doesn't qualify as foreign. Many of these things are things that most countries do, but this article is hopelessly non-neutral. ---- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 02:26, 5 November 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. This is an interesting and sourced list. The criteria for inclusion are more or less clear. The existence of the page is consistent with [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists]], although it can be improved. One could argue this content could be merged to [[Politics of China]] or elsewhere, but it is better served by the standalone list. The list can be renamed to something better, but this is a different question. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 22:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC) |
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⚫ | * '''Delete''' - Original research. [[User:Carrite|Carrite]] ([[User talk:Carrite|talk]]) 18:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC) |
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The result was delete. I think the last rationale is the most succinct one here - as it (and others) have pointed out, unless the article pulled together every occasion on which China was involved in another countries' affairs (which would be a ludicrously long article) this is effectively OR. Black Kite (talk) 01:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This article has various problems. It is encyclopedic; written from a biased and a non Neutral point of view; with unclear criteria of selection; some entries being trivial or normal in any society; highly speculative with more assumptions than proven facts; it has a journalistic sensationalist tone and unreliable sources. If we are talking about foreign affairs Hong Kong and Macau shouldn't be in this article, those entities being part of China, so it is an internal issue and again the tone is biased and speculative with unproven assumptions. Daduxing (talk) 16:32, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]