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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 21:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Recently created fork of Infobox sportsperson with {{para|sport}} set. It can completely replaced by Infobox sportsperson. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 23:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
Recently created fork of Infobox sportsperson with {{para|sport}} set. It can completely replaced by Infobox sportsperson. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 23:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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: '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:LT910001|LT90001]] ([[User talk:LT910001|talk]]) 23:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 21:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Single transclusion. I suggest we replace with infobox person or infobox sportsperson. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 22:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
Single transclusion. I suggest we replace with infobox person or infobox sportsperson. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 22:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' - when I looked at the biographies of people notable enough to have a Wikipedia biography, it was not obvious that you would want to use this template in the article. The Gladiators TV show was something they did at the time to earn money.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 05:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' - when I looked at the biographies of people notable enough to have a Wikipedia biography, it was not obvious that you would want to use this template in the article. The Gladiators TV show was something they did at the time to earn money.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 05:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* As the creator, this was written to replace the hand-hacked tables that several cast members previously used. Now that these have been either removed or replaced, it obviates the need for this template. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 09:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
* As the creator, this was written to replace the hand-hacked tables that several cast members previously used. Now that these have been either removed or replaced, it obviates the need for this template. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 09:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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2 transclusions. It has been removed from all complexity classes but two. I am not sure we need this. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 22:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment'''. Who removed it? And was it removed by editors familiar with the topic? — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 06:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''relisted''' on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 12]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 21:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::No idea. In fact I wanted to write "if it was ever used... it has been now removed". I don't know if it was ever used. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 10:47, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment'''. Seems more likely that this template simply has not been used yet. Having such an infobox doesn't sound like such a bad idea in principle. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 18:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' The template was created 4 years ago, so I suspect if it was going to be used it would have been by now. The navbox [[Template:ComplexityClasses]] does the navigational work of this template. Is there other functionality here that can't be handled in the article text? --[[User:RDBury|RDBury]] ([[User talk:RDBury|talk]]) 01:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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==== [[Template:Infobox NFL team awards]] ==== |
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 20:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Unused. 0 transclusions. I can't recall ever being used. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 19:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
Unused. 0 transclusions. I can't recall ever being used. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 19:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per nom.--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 09:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' per nom.--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 09:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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==== [[Template:Characters and names in the Quran]] ==== |
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus''' [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:39, 14 October 2013 (UTC) |
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This navigational template started out with a modest 50 names or so. It is now into the hundreds, if not thousands. It is not useful with that length. In retrospect, it should not have been allowed in the first place; the Quran is just too large. This is the size of an index to a [[Bible concordance]], which is much too large to be helpful. Also, these are being placed in articles on nearly everyplace in the Near East. The placement is impossible for the average editor to verify but seems [[WP:UNDUE]]. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 19:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
This navigational template started out with a modest 50 names or so. It is now into the hundreds, if not thousands. It is not useful with that length. In retrospect, it should not have been allowed in the first place; the Quran is just too large. This is the size of an index to a [[Bible concordance]], which is much too large to be helpful. Also, these are being placed in articles on nearly everyplace in the Near East. The placement is impossible for the average editor to verify but seems [[WP:UNDUE]]. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 19:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::per [[Wikipedia:A navbox on every page]], "a navbox is a template that lists at least several '''and sometimes hundreds of pages''' that are related". [[User:Alieseraj|Seraj]] ([[User talk:Alieseraj|talk]]) 03:02, 5 October 2013 (UTC) |
::per [[Wikipedia:A navbox on every page]], "a navbox is a template that lists at least several '''and sometimes hundreds of pages''' that are related". [[User:Alieseraj|Seraj]] ([[User talk:Alieseraj|talk]]) 03:02, 5 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::"A navbox on every page" is not policy, but this one is: "Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles; templates with a large numbers of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use." ([[WP:NAVBOX]]).--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 12:34, 5 October 2013 (UTC) |
:::"A navbox on every page" is not policy, but this one is: "Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles; templates with a large numbers of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use." ([[WP:NAVBOX]]).--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 12:34, 5 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::: Yes, and that is not the case here. And if you think it is, try improving the template slightly. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 16:18, 5 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::::: [[WP:NAVBOX]] says: "Good templates generally follow some of these guidelines:... There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.". Where is the article [[Characters and names in the Quran]]? It does not exist.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 18:37, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::As you said [[WP:NAVBOX]] says: "'''Good''' templates '''generally''' follow '''some of''' these guidelines:... There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.". Many or -I should say- most of the templates don't have an article on the subject.[[User:Alieseraj|Seraj]] ([[User talk:Alieseraj|talk]]) 21:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC) + We do have some articles on the subject: [[Characters and names in the Quran]], and also [[Prophets in Islam]] and [[Table of prophets of Abrahamic religions]]; so this template is a "'''Good''' template" :) [[User:Alieseraj|Seraj]] ([[User talk:Alieseraj|talk]]) 11:43, 8 October 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 20:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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3 transclusions. It can be replaced by [[Template:Infobox book series]]. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 19:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
3 transclusions. It can be replaced by [[Template:Infobox book series]]. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 19:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete and replace''' per nom -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.181.39|65.92.181.39]] ([[User talk:65.92.181.39|talk]]) 06:53, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete and replace''' per nom -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.181.39|65.92.181.39]] ([[User talk:65.92.181.39|talk]]) 06:53, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete and replace''' per nom.--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 15:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete and replace''' per nom.--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 15:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 21:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Single use. I don't we need this infobox at all. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 18:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
Single use. I don't we need this infobox at all. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 18:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per nom, if we need this, postnominal letters and honorific stylings/honorifics, should be in the standard title and biography infoboxen. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.181.39|65.92.181.39]] ([[User talk:65.92.181.39|talk]]) 05:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' per nom, if we need this, postnominal letters and honorific stylings/honorifics, should be in the standard title and biography infoboxen. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.181.39|65.92.181.39]] ([[User talk:65.92.181.39|talk]]) 05:06, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per 65.92, if using a separate infobox is deemed necessary there are [[Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes#Styles|dozens of other style templates]].--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 09:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' per 65.92, if using a separate infobox is deemed necessary there are [[Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes#Styles|dozens of other style templates]].--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 09:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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Single use. I think [[Template:Infobox comic]] can do the job. [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 13:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*Yes and no. ''If'' there has been a decline in articles for forthcoming comic book series has stopped (haven't checked that though...) then, yes. (Frankly [[Vampire Hunter D: American Wasteland]] may be worth a look for possible deletion.) But Infobox Comic isn't set up to deal with something that either never was published or is yet to be published. I'd rather err on caution and '''keep'' the template even if it is currently unused. Actually, all things being equal, between notability guidelines and sourcing guidelines, the template should see limited usage at the best of times and no usage at others. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 23:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''relisted''' on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 12]]. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 21:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Replace''' per nom. The alternate templates can be expanded to include a "future/unpublished" parameter. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.181.39|65.92.181.39]] ([[User talk:65.92.181.39|talk]]) 05:07, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Question''' @J Greb: what does this template do, that [[Template:Infobox comic book title]] cannot handle? Can't it be edited to add any additional functionality?--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 11:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 20:42, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Redundant template, covered in both [[:Template:2008 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players]] and [[Template:2013 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players]], no precedent whatsoever for combined templates with a 5 year gap for that matter. [[User:Thefourdotelipsis|Thefourdotelipsis]] ([[User talk:Thefourdotelipsis|talk]]) 12:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
Redundant template, covered in both [[:Template:2008 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players]] and [[Template:2013 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players]], no precedent whatsoever for combined templates with a 5 year gap for that matter. [[User:Thefourdotelipsis|Thefourdotelipsis]] ([[User talk:Thefourdotelipsis|talk]]) 12:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* ''' Do not delete ''' Tfd's comments that a 2008-2013 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players' template is redundant because templates for each of those two years has the same invoice misses the point. The idea of such templates is to show which players have played in a multi-premiership winning team, the "core" of each year's teams if you will. The 5 year gap between the titles is no reason for not deleting this template - it's not common for teams to win premierships that far apart but none in between, yet half the players in the '08 team also played on the '13 winning team - and they had the same senior coach. Some templates for multi-premiership winners have the same number or less players than this template. A more relevant questions is whether for Hawthorn's many premiership winning teams in the later '70s, the '80s and early '90s, greater amalgamation of templates could occur i.e. keep all the existing ones but have some that cover players who played in all of a set of 3 or 4 successive premierships the Hawks won in that time (not necessarily premierships won in successive years, but nth, (n+1)th, ... titles that Hawthorn won). ([[Anonymous]], 18:40, 2 October 2013 (AWST) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.95.16.17|130.95.16.17]] ([[User talk:130.95.16.17|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
* ''' Do not delete ''' Tfd's comments that a 2008-2013 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players' template is redundant because templates for each of those two years has the same invoice misses the point. The idea of such templates is to show which players have played in a multi-premiership winning team, the "core" of each year's teams if you will. The 5 year gap between the titles is no reason for not deleting this template - it's not common for teams to win premierships that far apart but none in between, yet half the players in the '08 team also played on the '13 winning team - and they had the same senior coach. Some templates for multi-premiership winners have the same number or less players than this template. A more relevant questions is whether for Hawthorn's many premiership winning teams in the later '70s, the '80s and early '90s, greater amalgamation of templates could occur i.e. keep all the existing ones but have some that cover players who played in all of a set of 3 or 4 successive premierships the Hawks won in that time (not necessarily premierships won in successive years, but nth, (n+1)th, ... titles that Hawthorn won). ([[Anonymous]], 18:40, 2 October 2013 (AWST) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.95.16.17|130.95.16.17]] ([[User talk:130.95.16.17|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''Delete''' - no reason to have this template; an in actual fact I would support deletion of the other two as well. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 10:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' - no reason to have this template; an in actual fact I would support deletion of the other two as well. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 10:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 20:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Unused. [[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 06:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
Unused. [[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 06:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' if this is kept,it should be converted to use {{tl|infobox}}/{{tl|Infobox sports team}} -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.181.39|65.92.181.39]] ([[User talk:65.92.181.39|talk]]) 05:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' if this is kept,it should be converted to use {{tl|infobox}}/{{tl|Infobox sports team}} -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.181.39|65.92.181.39]] ([[User talk:65.92.181.39|talk]]) 05:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus''' [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 20:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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This template simply should not exist, as its use is contrary to policy at [[WP:HSOCK]], which mandates only ''blocked'' accounts should be tagged. Per [[ Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Administrators_instructions#Sock_puppets_.28IP_addresses.29|adminstrator sockpuppet instructions]], the template used to tag blocked ip socks is {{tl|SockBlock}} |
This template simply should not exist, as its use is contrary to policy at [[WP:HSOCK]], which mandates only ''blocked'' accounts should be tagged. Per [[ Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Administrators_instructions#Sock_puppets_.28IP_addresses.29|adminstrator sockpuppet instructions]], the template used to tag blocked ip socks is {{tl|SockBlock}} |
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* '''Delete''' per nom, actually this seems to meet [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#T2|CSD:T2]].--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 23:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' per nom, actually this seems to meet [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#T2|CSD:T2]].--[[User:Underlying lk|eh bien mon prince]] ([[User talk:Underlying lk|talk]]) 23:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::Yeah. It doesn't meet speedy criteria. [[User:Doc9871|< |
::Yeah. It doesn't meet speedy criteria. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 03:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:There's also {{Tl|Sockpuppet}} and {{Tl|Sockpuppeteer}}. — [[User:Lfdder|Lfdder]] ([[User talk:Lfdder|talk]]) 23:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC) |
:There's also {{Tl|Sockpuppet}} and {{Tl|Sockpuppeteer}}. — [[User:Lfdder|Lfdder]] ([[User talk:Lfdder|talk]]) 23:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete''' - IPs should not be tagged unless static, and even then they ''might'' change. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 00:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' - IPs should not be tagged unless static, and even then they ''might'' change. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 00:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::Seriously?{{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|571587343|507922105}} Do you really think you are going to change this in this way? Very shady. [[User:Doc9871|< |
::Seriously?{{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|571587343|507922105}} Do you really think you are going to change this in this way? Very shady. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 04:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Yeah, it is kind of shady when policies are changed without discussion or consensus, like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASockpuppet_investigations%2FSPI%2FAdministrators_instructions&diff=500571195&oldid=493813206 this]. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 11:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
:::Yeah, it is kind of shady when policies are changed without discussion or consensus, like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASockpuppet_investigations%2FSPI%2FAdministrators_instructions&diff=500571195&oldid=493813206 this]. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 11:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Before that there was {{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|457060230|457060075| this}}, followed by {{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|493813206| this}} reinstatement by another editor. I clarified that the talk pages, not user pages, of IPs should be tagged. There was no exemption for unblocked IPs at this point, at all. IPs needing to be "relatively static" in order to be tagged is not something that has been adhered to in the past. Why this should change needs discussion before altering the instructions. [[User:Doc9871|< |
::::Before that there was {{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|457060230|457060075| this}}, followed by {{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|493813206| this}} reinstatement by another editor. I clarified that the talk pages, not user pages, of IPs should be tagged. There was no exemption for unblocked IPs at this point, at all. IPs needing to be "relatively static" in order to be tagged is not something that has been adhered to in the past. Why this should change needs discussion before altering the instructions. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 07:25, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:To ask a question of those below: Do you support tagging the same IP with multiple sock tags? And do you want hundreds of thousands of tags? [[BT Internet]], for just one example, gives EVERYBODY access to the entire /8 range! (That's 16,777,216 IPs for those unfamiliar with [[CIDR]] notation.) Each and every one of these could be used for sock puppetry by any sockmaster on BT Internet. Given enough time, we will have tens to hundreds of thousands of tags on IPs used for one or two block-evading edits. These IPs will then get given to random readers and other good-faith users. They could even be given to different sockpuppeteers, resulting in two, three, or more sock tags on an IP's userpage. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 17:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
:To ask a question of those below: Do you support tagging the same IP with multiple sock tags? And do you want hundreds of thousands of tags? [[BT Internet]], for just one example, gives EVERYBODY access to the entire /8 range! (That's 16,777,216 IPs for those unfamiliar with [[CIDR]] notation.) Each and every one of these could be used for sock puppetry by any sockmaster on BT Internet. Given enough time, we will have tens to hundreds of thousands of tags on IPs used for one or two block-evading edits. These IPs will then get given to random readers and other good-faith users. They could even be given to different sockpuppeteers, resulting in two, three, or more sock tags on an IP's userpage. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 17:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::A bleak scenario, 'tis true. Discretion in tagging is what usually happens: trusted users who know what they are doing when tagging. The other editors in the community understand who is tagging in an appropriate manner and who is not. [[User:Doc9871|< |
::A bleak scenario, 'tis true. Discretion in tagging is what usually happens: trusted users who know what they are doing when tagging. The other editors in the community understand who is tagging in an appropriate manner and who is not. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 09:38, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Neutral''' - I think it's useful for finding and categorizing pages that prolific banned users edit, so their edits can be found more quickly, but on the other hand if this were deleted it would enforce [[WP:DENY]] better and also people are currently using it incorrectly, to unnecessarily harass people and tag pages of obvious shared IPs. I don't really care, delete it or don't. To RE's comment above, I don't know what you might have learned as a CheckUser that I don't know, but I thought tagging the user (not talk) page of an IP even at the risk it might change causes even less collateral damage than a block on an IP. But I may be wrong. [[User:Ginsuloft|Ginsuloft]] ([[User talk:Ginsuloft|talk]]) 00:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Neutral''' - I think it's useful for finding and categorizing pages that prolific banned users edit, so their edits can be found more quickly, but on the other hand if this were deleted it would enforce [[WP:DENY]] better and also people are currently using it incorrectly, to unnecessarily harass people and tag pages of obvious shared IPs. I don't really care, delete it or don't. To RE's comment above, I don't know what you might have learned as a CheckUser that I don't know, but I thought tagging the user (not talk) page of an IP even at the risk it might change causes even less collateral damage than a block on an IP. But I may be wrong. [[User:Ginsuloft|Ginsuloft]] ([[User talk:Ginsuloft|talk]]) 00:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete''' per nom. Currently it has been used to harass IP editors who have not been proven to be socks and should not have been tagged to begin with. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 02:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' per nom. Currently it has been used to harass IP editors who have not been proven to be socks and should not have been tagged to begin with. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 02:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose'''. Yes, this template has been here for years. Yes, those of us who use it to identify socks have been using it for years. Yes, the language at the sock policy page (as well as the admin's sock tagging instructions page) have been altered slowly without concern for consensus. Tagging an IP's talk page with this template is not only a very useful tool for quickly identifying socks that has existed for years, it is the basis for countless legitimate SPIs. Emptying all "suspected sock puppet" pages is unthinkable to me. [[User:Doc9871|< |
* '''Oppose'''. Yes, this template has been here for years. Yes, those of us who use it to identify socks have been using it for years. Yes, the language at the sock policy page (as well as the admin's sock tagging instructions page) have been altered slowly without concern for consensus. Tagging an IP's talk page with this template is not only a very useful tool for quickly identifying socks that has existed for years, it is the basis for countless legitimate SPIs. Emptying all "suspected sock puppet" pages is unthinkable to me. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 02:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::Actually, the policy was changed due to abuse, during the ArbCom decision in the Climate Change area. The policy prior to 2010 only allowed an administrator to tag accounts as IP socks. {{u|NuclearWarfare}} changed the policy [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry&diff=prev&oldid=375079509 here] on July 23, 2010. At the time, IPs and accounts were being accused without evidence of being socks of Scibaby, with a false positive rate as high as 20%. Regards, <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 03:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
::Actually, the policy was changed due to abuse, during the ArbCom decision in the Climate Change area. The policy prior to 2010 only allowed an administrator to tag accounts as IP socks. {{u|NuclearWarfare}} changed the policy [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry&diff=prev&oldid=375079509 here] on July 23, 2010. At the time, IPs and accounts were being accused without evidence of being socks of Scibaby, with a false positive rate as high as 20%. Regards, <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 03:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::That's a very good diff from NW - backed by community consensus(?) Sure, right? The policy, like most, is a battleground using a war of attrition to say that tagging any IP is bad. Believe me: admins of equal power fundamentally disagree over it. It's not getting hijacked is what I can tell you with confidence. [[User:Doc9871|< |
:::That's a very good diff from NW - backed by community consensus(?) Sure, right? The policy, like most, is a battleground using a war of attrition to say that tagging any IP is bad. Believe me: admins of equal power fundamentally disagree over it. It's not getting hijacked is what I can tell you with confidence. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 04:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete''': The flag is one person's opinion subject to misuse by editors as a dirty defense in content disputes. Without due process usage is like taking the law into your own hands. It becomes a red target on disliked editor's back for future over aggressive editors to justify harsher actions against the flagged IP editor. WP has formal SPI procedures that make this template outside of policies. The IP editor is either found a sockpuppet or not. No "I think". It's non-AGF. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 03:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''': The flag is one person's opinion subject to misuse by editors as a dirty defense in content disputes. Without due process usage is like taking the law into your own hands. It becomes a red target on disliked editor's back for future over aggressive editors to justify harsher actions against the flagged IP editor. WP has formal SPI procedures that make this template outside of policies. The IP editor is either found a sockpuppet or not. No "I think". It's non-AGF. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 03:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::One person's opinion? What are you talking about? Do you know how long this template has been in use? Tagging any editor with ''any'' template is "one person's opinion". Do away with templates? [[User:Doc9871|< |
::One person's opinion? What are you talking about? Do you know how long this template has been in use? Tagging any editor with ''any'' template is "one person's opinion". Do away with templates? [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 03:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::: I don't see anything too confusing in what I stated and I didn't use the term ''templates''. Do you know how long sockpuppetry has been in use or is time related somehow? How many opinions should it take if I placed one on ''your'' user page because '''I''' saw you typed a familiar phrase another editor used once? Are you attempting to say this would be OK as long as it isn't done to you? [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 12:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
::: I don't see anything too confusing in what I stated and I didn't use the term ''templates''. Do you know how long sockpuppetry has been in use or is time related somehow? How many opinions should it take if I placed one on ''your'' user page because '''I''' saw you typed a familiar phrase another editor used once? Are you attempting to say this would be OK as long as it isn't done to you? [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 12:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::: No. -- [[User:BullRangifer|Brangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) 07:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
:::: No. -- [[User:BullRangifer|Brangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) 07:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::I would recommend making the change in wording immediately. At worst the template will be deleted anyway so it's a wash, and at best it's a good clarification. [[User:Doc9871|< |
::I would recommend making the change in wording immediately. At worst the template will be deleted anyway so it's a wash, and at best it's a good clarification. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 05:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' deletion. Deleting this template would harm Wikipedia's ability to defend itself against attempts to falsify consensus. [[User:Cardamon|Cardamon]] ([[User talk:Cardamon|talk]]) 04:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' deletion. Deleting this template would harm Wikipedia's ability to defend itself against attempts to falsify consensus. [[User:Cardamon|Cardamon]] ([[User talk:Cardamon|talk]]) 04:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose deletion'''. If this template did not exist, someone would have to create it. We need the ability to tag IP talk pages that are being used for sock-puppetry. If there are problems with the wording, they can be fixed. But the basic principle is that editors need to collaborate - and to do this editors need to share information. There are situations when an editor is using a different IPs to make it look as if he/she is more than one person and create the illusion of support for his/her POV. There are also situations when editing from IPs is used to get round blocks. By putting these tags down a markers, it is practical to keep track of some of this and take appropriate action. The alternative is that we all have our own bespoke tag, that we paste in.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 05:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose deletion'''. If this template did not exist, someone would have to create it. We need the ability to tag IP talk pages that are being used for sock-puppetry. If there are problems with the wording, they can be fixed. But the basic principle is that editors need to collaborate - and to do this editors need to share information. There are situations when an editor is using a different IPs to make it look as if he/she is more than one person and create the illusion of support for his/her POV. There are also situations when editing from IPs is used to get round blocks. By putting these tags down a markers, it is practical to keep track of some of this and take appropriate action. The alternative is that we all have our own bespoke tag, that we paste in.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 05:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' until an alternative is devised to listify IP socks that have been identified by behavioral evidence etc. This came up on AN about a year ago too. This is essential in the case of some prolific sockmasters who jump IPs often and are restricted to a few ranges as it helps identify these socks for those involved in such cleanup. There is potential for abuse with such a template, but that should be fixed separately with consequences for the editor(s) abusing this. While tagging every IP sock to populate categories appears silly and can be a problem for the next editor, there is a need to keep this list as it helps link certain edits to certain masters based on the ranges. I would support an alternative where such a template addition causes a bot to add this to an SPI subpage along with diffs (similar to a CCI page) and then remove the template from the IP talk page with a link in the edit summary (or if the SPI is non existent, allow the editor to create one and if not, just remove the template). This way, the next person to use the IP isn't offended but there's also sufficient info for anyone investigating. —[[User:SpacemanSpiff|< |
*'''Keep''' until an alternative is devised to listify IP socks that have been identified by behavioral evidence etc. This came up on AN about a year ago too. This is essential in the case of some prolific sockmasters who jump IPs often and are restricted to a few ranges as it helps identify these socks for those involved in such cleanup. There is potential for abuse with such a template, but that should be fixed separately with consequences for the editor(s) abusing this. While tagging every IP sock to populate categories appears silly and can be a problem for the next editor, there is a need to keep this list as it helps link certain edits to certain masters based on the ranges. I would support an alternative where such a template addition causes a bot to add this to an SPI subpage along with diffs (similar to a CCI page) and then remove the template from the IP talk page with a link in the edit summary (or if the SPI is non existent, allow the editor to create one and if not, just remove the template). This way, the next person to use the IP isn't offended but there's also sufficient info for anyone investigating. —[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#BA181F;">Spaceman</span>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<span style="color:#2B18BA;">Spiff</span>]]''' 06:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''replace''' the blocked ones with {{tl|SockBlock}}. remove from pages where there is no SPI, and make the SPI link mandatory, then archive all the old ones from dynamic IPs (e.g., the work by [[User:SharedIPArchiveBot]]). [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:30, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
* '''replace''' the blocked ones with {{tl|SockBlock}}. remove from pages where there is no SPI, and make the SPI link mandatory, then archive all the old ones from dynamic IPs (e.g., the work by [[User:SharedIPArchiveBot]]). [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:30, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::Why don't you quit misstating facts? I can name any number of editors and admins who disagreed with you, your position, and were ready to topic ban you for violating policy in naming "suspected" socks based on "secret" evidence and "tells" which you have not had the time to share with us (or anyone). Hmm. No time to share supposedly secret evidence, but time to post diatribes all over the Project about how it really is OK to abuse IPs, because it's not like they really edit, and are sort of second class citizens. I was around when the Scibaby false positive controversy came up, and I can guarantee you that {{u|NuclearWarfare}} had consensus, there were plenty of discussions leading up to it, including [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sockpuppet_investigations/Scibaby#Error_rates], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change/Evidence#Scibaby_sock_investigation_performance], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change/Proposed_decision]. In addition, prior to the change by NW, only admins were allowed to add the suspected sock tag, go look at the language. LOL, if you really cared about "due diligence", you would have practiced it before you labeled others as socks. Unless, of course, you really do have "secret" evidence to share with the community. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 00:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
::Why don't you quit misstating facts? I can name any number of editors and admins who disagreed with you, your position, and were ready to topic ban you for violating policy in naming "suspected" socks based on "secret" evidence and "tells" which you have not had the time to share with us (or anyone). Hmm. No time to share supposedly secret evidence, but time to post diatribes all over the Project about how it really is OK to abuse IPs, because it's not like they really edit, and are sort of second class citizens. I was around when the Scibaby false positive controversy came up, and I can guarantee you that {{u|NuclearWarfare}} had consensus, there were plenty of discussions leading up to it, including [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sockpuppet_investigations/Scibaby#Error_rates], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change/Evidence#Scibaby_sock_investigation_performance], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change/Proposed_decision]. In addition, prior to the change by NW, only admins were allowed to add the suspected sock tag, go look at the language. LOL, if you really cared about "due diligence", you would have practiced it before you labeled others as socks. Unless, of course, you really do have "secret" evidence to share with the community. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 00:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Here's just one of many socks I tagged from an IP-hopping time-waster named {{user|Veryverser}}: {{user|68.198.216.227}}. I even confirmed it was him, all by myself, without a SPI. I'm not even an admin. No due process, it could be argued. How was I so sure it was him? ''He signed his freaking name'', like he always does. There was no "personal attack" involved in the tagging (and [[WP:HARASS]] does not equal [[WP:NPA]], to address the point you made at AN/I). The day that I have to SPI every single [[WP:DUCK|quacking]] IP is the day we all should just give up on SPI. Many, many times the IP goes stale while the case waits at SPI, and no admin will block because it's no longer necessary. But we still need to record the behavior. Requiring the IP to be blocked before tagging is unrealistic. Had I been wrong about placing the above tag, or any other, I would face the consequences. [[User:Doc9871|< |
:::Here's just one of many socks I tagged from an IP-hopping time-waster named {{user|Veryverser}}: {{user|68.198.216.227}}. I even confirmed it was him, all by myself, without a SPI. I'm not even an admin. No due process, it could be argued. How was I so sure it was him? ''He signed his freaking name'', like he always does. There was no "personal attack" involved in the tagging (and [[WP:HARASS]] does not equal [[WP:NPA]], to address the point you made at AN/I). The day that I have to SPI every single [[WP:DUCK|quacking]] IP is the day we all should just give up on SPI. Many, many times the IP goes stale while the case waits at SPI, and no admin will block because it's no longer necessary. But we still need to record the behavior. Requiring the IP to be blocked before tagging is unrealistic. Had I been wrong about placing the above tag, or any other, I would face the consequences. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 01:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::::<s>Good example! You just improperly tagged a user that forgot to log in, declared who he was and made no attempt at deception. That sockpuppet label attack was not following WP:Policies at all and should be removed after you place the apology template on the same page explaining you made an error. I doubt these templates have rules argued out just for some to make up their own rules. Let me quote from [[WP:SOCK]] |
::::<s>Good example! You just improperly tagged a user that forgot to log in, declared who he was and made no attempt at deception. That sockpuppet label attack was not following WP:Policies at all and should be removed after you place the apology template on the same page explaining you made an error. I doubt these templates have rules argued out just for some to make up their own rules. Let me quote from [[WP:SOCK]] |
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::::I don't see where your lone opinion is properly applied to this editor's page in this fine example. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 11:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)</s> |
::::I don't see where your lone opinion is properly applied to this editor's page in this fine example. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 11:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)</s> |
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:::<s>It's not a good example: it's a ''perfect'' example. See, 'cause that user had been indefinitely blocked quite earlier. They didn't "forget to log in". You are barking up the wrong tree with me, I can assure you. This should get fun :) [[User:Doc9871|< |
:::<s>It's not a good example: it's a ''perfect'' example. See, 'cause that user had been indefinitely blocked quite earlier. They didn't "forget to log in". You are barking up the wrong tree with me, I can assure you. This should get fun :) [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 11:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)</s> |
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:::: My apologogies. I forgot about your mention the account was already through the proper process and the sockpuppet tag was applied according to policy. However, your implied threats and suggestion of gaming the system is inappropriate. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 12:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
:::: My apologogies. I forgot about your mention the account was already through the proper process and the sockpuppet tag was applied according to policy. However, your implied threats and suggestion of gaming the system is inappropriate. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 12:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::No need to apologize for the error, as we all make them. I don't ''think'' I've accused anyone of gaming the system at all; and I try to keep my threats overt rather than implied ;P [[User:Doc9871|< |
:::No need to apologize for the error, as we all make them. I don't ''think'' I've accused anyone of gaming the system at all; and I try to keep my threats overt rather than implied ;P [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 12:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. [[WP:HSOCK]] talks about ''accounts'', and an IP is not an account. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 07:07, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. [[WP:HSOCK]] talks about ''accounts'', and an IP is not an account. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 07:07, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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::Assuming that interpretation is correct, [[WP:SPI/AI]] tells admins '''not''' to tag IP addresses when blocking socks. The only time an admin is supposed to tag an IP is if it is an open proxie or a static IP. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 11:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
::Assuming that interpretation is correct, [[WP:SPI/AI]] tells admins '''not''' to tag IP addresses when blocking socks. The only time an admin is supposed to tag an IP is if it is an open proxie or a static IP. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 11:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:::SPI/AI has recently [[WP:BRD|boldly]] been changed by one editor with no attempt to garner consensus by describing "standard practices". My reversion of that one editor's bold change was itself reverted, apparently to reflect those standard practices. BRR - no D. That's how it rolls with those who want to change policy without input from others. [[User:Doc9871|< |
:::SPI/AI has recently [[WP:BRD|boldly]] been changed by one editor with no attempt to garner consensus by describing "standard practices". My reversion of that one editor's bold change was itself reverted, apparently to reflect those standard practices. BRR - no D. That's how it rolls with those who want to change policy without input from others. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 03:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Uh, didn't you add the part that was changed by that editor? Back in July 2012? Without discussion or consensus for the change? <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 04:56, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
::::Uh, didn't you add the part that was changed by that editor? Back in July 2012? Without discussion or consensus for the change? <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">[[User:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:110%;font-family:Mistral">GregJackP</span>]] [[User talk:GregJackP|<span style="color:#900;font-size:60%">Boomer!</span>]]</span> 04:56, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Not originally. It was removed {{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|457060230|457060075| here}} before that. [[User:Doc9871|< |
:::::Not originally. It was removed {{diff|Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions|457060230|457060075| here}} before that. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 05:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep for now''', though I think most of us agree that it should be fixed/improved in some way <tt>[[User:PC-XT|-PC]][[User Talk:PC-XT|-XT]][[Special:Contributions/PC-XT|+]]</tt> 08:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Keep for now''', though I think most of us agree that it should be fixed/improved in some way <tt>[[User:PC-XT|-PC]][[User Talk:PC-XT|-XT]][[Special:Contributions/PC-XT|+]]</tt> 08:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:* Agreed. Most agree it needs to be fixed, but a lot of bad faith is being exercised in attempts to prevent it from being fixed. Take a look at the discussion here: [[Wikipedia talk:Sock puppetry#Illogical wording 2]]. -- [[User:BullRangifer|Brangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) 06:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
:* Agreed. Most agree it needs to be fixed, but a lot of bad faith is being exercised in attempts to prevent it from being fixed. Take a look at the discussion here: [[Wikipedia talk:Sock puppetry#Illogical wording 2]]. -- [[User:BullRangifer|Brangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) 06:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete''' - Sadly, this is mostly used to intimidate and harass. Abuse of this tag (which is all too frequent) stifles discussion instead of fostering it. [[User:Newpeter1112|Newpeter1112]] ([[User talk:Newpeter1112|talk]]) 07:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' - Sadly, this is mostly used to intimidate and harass. Abuse of this tag (which is all too frequent) stifles discussion instead of fostering it. [[User:Newpeter1112|Newpeter1112]] ([[User talk:Newpeter1112|talk]]) 07:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::Good thing we take into account these sorts of "votes" from new accounts. Mostly used to intimidate and harass? Sure. Welcome to this page for your first edit! [[User:Doc9871|< |
::Good thing we take into account these sorts of "votes" from new accounts. Mostly used to intimidate and harass? Sure. Welcome to this page for your first edit! [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 07:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:::You appear to think harrassment is actually OK as long as it isn't you being harassed. When a hypothetical scenario was presented that somebody could actually put a sockpuppet tag on your page you responded very excitedly with challenging retorts. Perhaps this new, more anonymous, editor was just recently harassed into creating an account name. Try to AGF and cut the sarcasm. It doesn't work in a text only environment. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 13:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
:::You appear to think harrassment is actually OK as long as it isn't you being harassed. When a hypothetical scenario was presented that somebody could actually put a sockpuppet tag on your page you responded very excitedly with challenging retorts. Perhaps this new, more anonymous, editor was just recently harassed into creating an account name. Try to AGF and cut the sarcasm. It doesn't work in a text only environment. [[Special:Contributions/174.118.141.197|174.118.141.197]] ([[User talk:174.118.141.197|talk]]) 13:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
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::::I never said you couldn't put a sock tag on my page at all. I said you'd better have a really good reason for it. If you think it harrassment to point out that for a new account to come to this page for their very first edit is odd; it's not. New editors don't do that. So, yes, it could be an editor who was harassed by others into creating an account. Or it could be a blocked user. [[User:Doc9871|< |
::::I never said you couldn't put a sock tag on my page at all. I said you'd better have a really good reason for it. If you think it harrassment to point out that for a new account to come to this page for their very first edit is odd; it's not. New editors don't do that. So, yes, it could be an editor who was harassed by others into creating an account. Or it could be a blocked user. [[User:Doc9871|<span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;">'''Doc'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<span style="color:#999999;">'''talk'''</span>]] 00:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. As others have noted, some indefinitely blocked or banned users frequently circumvent their sanctions by mis-using IP addresses. To me, the advantage of being able to track anonymous block evasion to the greatest extent possible, by means of this template, outweighs any disadvantage presented by the harassment counter-argument. '''[[User:SuperMarioMan|< |
*'''Keep'''. As others have noted, some indefinitely blocked or banned users frequently circumvent their sanctions by mis-using IP addresses. To me, the advantage of being able to track anonymous block evasion to the greatest extent possible, by means of this template, outweighs any disadvantage presented by the harassment counter-argument. '''[[User:SuperMarioMan|<span style="color:#CE2029;">Super</span>]][[User talk:SuperMarioMan|<span style="color:#FF3F00;">Mario</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SuperMarioMan|<span style="color:#FF8C00;">Man</span>]]''' 23:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' and consider '''deleting''' [[Template:Noodle]]. The template is already too broad and too large. Far better to maintain separate noodle templates for each cuisine. The comparison to [[Template:Teas]] is [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|unhelpful]], as that template covers an ingredient and its various forms, whereas [[Template:Noodle]] attempts to cover a broad variety of foods that have only a loose connection based on similarities in their manner of preparation, and between which it's not likely readers will need to navigate. [[List of pasta]] groups these articles sufficiently. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 19:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' and consider '''deleting''' [[Template:Noodle]]. The template is already too broad and too large. Far better to maintain separate noodle templates for each cuisine. The comparison to [[Template:Teas]] is [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|unhelpful]], as that template covers an ingredient and its various forms, whereas [[Template:Noodle]] attempts to cover a broad variety of foods that have only a loose connection based on similarities in their manner of preparation, and between which it's not likely readers will need to navigate. [[List of pasta]] groups these articles sufficiently. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 19:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Unused. <span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 12:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC) |
Unused. <span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 12:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC) |
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* '''comment''', it is currently used in [[Pinyin]], so what's the replacement? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC) |
* '''comment''', it is currently used in [[Pinyin]], so what's the replacement? [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC) |
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**You are correct- missed that somehow. But the use does not look right: |
**You are correct- missed that somehow. But the use does not look right: |
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::Whereas <nowiki>{{Ruby|媽|mā}}</nowiki> → {{Ruby|媽|mā}} |
::Whereas <nowiki>{{Ruby|媽|mā}}</nowiki> → {{Ruby|媽|mā}} |
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::I'm not an expert here, but I don't think ''mā'' and variants are ruby text. And the template is not working properly and hasn't since 2005. But I see how to fix it. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 20:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC) |
::I'm not an expert here, but I don't think ''mā'' and variants are ruby text. And the template is not working properly and hasn't since 2005. But I see how to fix it. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 20:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC) |
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** Good idea. [[Template:Ruby/testcases]] --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 23:23, 18 September 2013 (UTC) |
** Good idea. [[Template:Ruby/testcases]] --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' [[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 23:23, 18 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*** Not Really. If you look at the documentaion page (which was a bit off before) then you see that that words which consist of Ruby and non-Ruby look a bit off it any Browser without further adjustment: |
*** Not Really. If you look at the documentaion page (which was a bit off before) then you see that that words which consist of Ruby and non-Ruby look a bit off it any Browser without further adjustment: |
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:::Also I want to remind that Firefox, one of the most used Browsers (and also Standard Browser of Many Linux distributions) has still problems rendering Ruby-big correctly (with the Ruby Plugin, of course and without Ruby Plugin (or any non-ruby compatible Browser) it also looks weird, since the top is smaller than the base. |
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:::* That's solved with {{tlx|Ruby-big|全|すべ|after{{=}}て}} |
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The result of the discussion was '''moving''' back to [[User:Bvlax2005/wikirequest]]. Feel free to move it elsewhere if there is a better place in userspace for it. [[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 20:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Since {{tl|wikify}} is now deprecated, this notification template is no longer useful. And the creator of this template is inactive for a few years. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 18:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC) |
Since {{tl|wikify}} is now deprecated, this notification template is no longer useful. And the creator of this template is inactive for a few years. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 18:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''userfy''' as requested [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''userfy''' as requested [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Userfy''' per Mono <tt>[[User:PC-XT|-PC]][[User Talk:PC-XT|-XT]][[Special:Contributions/PC-XT|+]]</tt> 08:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Userfy''' per Mono <tt>[[User:PC-XT|-PC]][[User Talk:PC-XT|-XT]][[Special:Contributions/PC-XT|+]]</tt> 08:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' - Pointless now since {{tl|wikify}} is deprecated. [[User:Garion96|Garion96]] [[User talk:Garion96|(talk)]] 18:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Recently created fork of Infobox sportsperson with |sport=
set. It can completely replaced by Infobox sportsperson. Magioladitis (talk) 23:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Single transclusion. I suggest we replace with infobox person or infobox sportsperson. Magioladitis (talk) 22:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was relistedonWikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 12. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Unused. 0 transclusions. I can't recall ever being used. Magioladitis (talk) 19:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was no consensus Beeblebrox (talk) 19:39, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This navigational template started out with a modest 50 names or so. It is now into the hundreds, if not thousands. It is not useful with that length. In retrospect, it should not have been allowed in the first place; the Quran is just too large. This is the size of an index to a Bible concordance, which is much too large to be helpful. Also, these are being placed in articles on nearly everyplace in the Near East. The placement is impossible for the average editor to verify but seems WP:UNDUE. Student7 (talk) 19:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural note: will the nominator please notify editors who have contributed significantly to this template about this discussion. Alieseraj should definitely have been notified. Debresser (talk) 20:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
3 transclusions. It can be replaced by Template:Infobox book series. Magioladitis (talk) 19:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Single use. I don't we need this infobox at all. Magioladitis (talk) 18:41, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was relistedonWikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 October 12. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:42, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redundant template, covered in both Template:2008 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players and Template:2013 Hawthorn Hawks premiership players, no precedent whatsoever for combined templates with a 5 year gap for that matter. Thefourdotelipsis (talk) 12:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Unused. eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This template simply should not exist, as its use is contrary to policy at WP:HSOCK, which mandates only blocked accounts should be tagged. Per adminstrator sockpuppet instructions, the template used to tag blocked ip socks is {{SockBlock}} NE Ent 22:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging Template:Chinese noodles and Template:Pasta with Template:Noodle.
(1) Template:Noodle is the most-encompassing, while the rest is rather a split-off. (2) At currrent, the convention is that Template:Noodle is only for noodle varieties but not dishes, which is problematic considering that the dishes are occasionally getting added then removed and many dishes in the context of noodle is navbox-less. I would suggest adding those too with a {{Navbox subgroup}} into Template:Noodle (similar to how Template:Chinese noodles seperates varieties from dishes). That is a better option than making separate regional navboxes. (3) The decision to add either Template:Noodle or a regional one to an article is arbitrarily (most use Template:Noodle instead of Template:Pasta for example), so might as well combine the the regional with the all-encompassing navbox. (4) Entries like Pancit (Filipino noodles), Pancit estacion, Pancit Malabon, and others are floating around... this merge would benefit the navigation of those articles in the context of the topic noodles. Cold Season (talk) 21:19, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Unused. Gadget850 talk 12:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was moving back to User:Bvlax2005/wikirequest. Feel free to move it elsewhere if there is a better place in userspace for it. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Since {{wikify}} is now deprecated, this notification template is no longer useful. And the creator of this template is inactive for a few years. George Ho (talk) 18:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]