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Agreed, but we'll likely never get these features. There are a substantial number of curmudgeonly contributors here who seem to have an irrational hatred of the social goodness that every modern forum software package has implemented for years. Everything that you're bringing up has already been developed and is freely available (in php, too!), yet those who do development work seem to agree with the people here who are against any improvements... it's frustrating, but I for one (and everyone else that feels the same, AFAIK) just let it go any more. — V = IR(Talk • Contribs) 21:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's because it is not a forum but a page for discussing matters arising from the co-operative writing of Wikipedia. If you want a social forum I daresay there are a lot of them about. Therefore we do not have a wall or any of the other features you mention as they are not really applicable here. Britmax (talk) 21:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The email this user is a private message. A considerable majority of established accounts have an established email account. An "ignore" feature - who? where?. I'm also fairly certain that "selective blocking" is not yet technically possible, even if you want it to be. Is #4 like WP:LiquidThreads? It's attracted some criticism, along with positive points. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 21:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but how do I friend someone on this site?TCO (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You don't this is not a social networking site. GB fan (talk) 22:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is certainly possible to make friends on this site. (I have anyway.) You can watch their pages and comment there; and they can do the same with you. It just isn't possible to declare to declare that friendship in any software manner, but what would be the point? What would you gain from that that you can't already do? LadyofShalott 00:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You kids get off my lawn! ;) LadyofShalott 00:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
lol
Look, I'm with you guys (and gals) in the idea that this isn't a social networking site, but there's a good reason for the little features that social networking sites use to enable socialization. Wikipedia's culture could use a healthy dose of social medicine regardless. There's a "corporate culture" here (maybe institutional memory would be more accurate?), largely expressed by the "that doesn't help the encyclopedic content" expression, that is fairly anti-social. I really feel that the significant issues that we have with civility are largely a side effect of the lack of good socialization mechanisms. So, in a somewhat roundabout way, I'd make a case that improving out social toolbox would help build the encyclopedia by allowing us to work together much better than we currently do. We could easily have improved social tools without getting rid of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not MySpace as well. — V = IR(Talk • Contribs) 01:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to put a thing on my page where people can declare they are my friends. It will become a trend. Just like how I figured out who my talk page stalkers were.TCO (talk) 01:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want us to connect to FB. But I do think PMs and better discussion threads make sense. I mean the colon typing BLOWS. We can improve the things internally. I mean my Nutrisystem experience...there were awesome boards there with all kinds of features. Totally walled garden. But very good community and helpful to weight loss. And fun. And they thought I was the strangest poster in the history of tha site. But I lost 70 pounds. I mean...WTF...four tildas? Who came up with that crap?TCO (talk) 01:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are some problems with emphasizing the social side. If you've got two editors who are wikifriends, and both of them happen to offer similar opinions in a content dispute, then we get accusations about WP:MEAT puppets, that one is mindlessly agreeing with the other, that they're WP:Tag teaming the dispute, etc. It's apparently easier for some peoplel to say, "Those horrible, unfair conspirators are tag-teaming me!" than to believe, "Huh, eight editors at the WP:External links/Noticeboard believe that my personal website is a bad choice for an external link in this article, and I'm the only person in favor of it. Maybe that means that it isn't appropriate." Having an official "friends" system would likely make this sort of distraction more common, because with the current system, you'd just have to know that they were friends, and with an official system, you could easily find out. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two counter arguments for you: the fact that it's not possible to see who people are "friends" with tends to lend credibility to the idea of "cabals"... paranoia works best in environments where there's incomplete information, after all. More importantly, to me at least, is that I believe that a more accessible social system on Wikipedia itself will help with the problems that you're describing rather than make them worse, partially for the reason that I started with above. We already try to get people to discuss issues with each other when a conflict arises, because we came to realize early on that the easiest way resolve disputes is to get people talking to each other. If people were willing and more easily able to talk to each other in general (about the encyclopedia, in some fashion, of course) then there will generally be fewer disputes that get started. There will be problems of course, but there are problems already (and I think that they're more serious, personally). — V = IR(Talk • Contribs) 04:08, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't you notice what character you typed (twice) in front of your reply? :) — V = IR(Talk • Contribs) 19:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually four tildes (4 x ~) Britmax (talk) 20:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I don't see that as "blowing", and therefore didn't understand the apparent outrageous problem it causes. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 19:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neither do I. Would looking at the time and printing out our name in longhand whenever signing a post be easier? Or what? Britmax (talk) 19:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He's not talking about using four tildes when he's referring to "colon typing" (although that's part of the problem). He's talking about having to manually format replies by typing the ':' character. MediaWiki is good for article content, but suffers significantly in discussions, in comparison to modern web based forum systems or even mailing lists. That you have to type four tildes at all (let alone "printing out our name in longhand"... what the hell kind of idea is that?!?) is somewhat ridiculous. All of this is well trodden territory, by the way. As a matter of fact, there was a whole Usability Project Wikimedia project devoted to these sorts of issues, although they didn't seem to get anything done... — V = IR(Talk • Contribs) 19:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm totally on board with the notion that 4 tildes deserves a WTF response. This is 2011 and we have computers. One's that could do the signing for us. Yes, someone would have to create the rules - sign talk pages, not article pages, don't sign if the user has opted out of signing. It's not that hard. We have bots with a thousand times more complicated rules. There is no excuse for not automating the signing. There are enough rules to remember without this completely artificial, completely unnecessary rule. In solidarity, I'm not signing.
Signbot (talk·contribs) only signs posts of users with fewer than 500 posts (I think that's the threshold. It's close, at least). :) — V = IR(Talk • Contribs) 01:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
God damn! Have any of you all every been on a normal forum? Like anything post about 1995?? Where you have an avatar, have a signature, have your own space for your post that others can't edit into, have ability to make paragraphs, don't have everything run together in edit mode? I mean SHEESH. I'm DUMB. I'm OLD. And I still wonder where you all are LIVING. TCO (talk) 01:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be operating under the misapprehension that 1-Wikipedia is a social network site and 2-there are paid programmers. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 01:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like we are being trolled. But if you want to contact someone privately, their user page has a link that lets you email them, if they have an enrolled email address. Not everybody chooses to enroll one. 69.111.195.157 (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if we're being trolled or TCO is oblivious to how Wikipedia works. In either case, it's disconcerting that they have several advanced user rights. Killiondude (talk) 04:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In case anyone's not aware of it, the community could choose to install the LiquidThreads extension for discussion pages such as this one in order to address many issues above. – Adrignolatalk 04:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Has there been any talk about a trial here on en? I think it would make sense to try it out only for User talk: pages on an opt-in basis, as long as bots don't freak out. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 23:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we need friends lists and PMs and the like, but an easier 'reply to' button would simply save the time spent in hunting the comment being accessed in a lengthy discussion and adding those colons in the response. DeistCosmos (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really get how this Village Pump thing works...what exactly is it for? 'Soul 19:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SolarWind123 (talk • contribs)
How about a reply with quote button like normal forums have?TCO (reviews needed) 18:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Have you read WP:Indentation and/or Help:Using talk pages? Both of those have material relating to how to properly format things on discussion pages such as this one. Killiondude (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A more forum-like form shall prevail!
The funny thing is that WMF is going in exactly the direction I say. Even though I communicate it in a self-making-fun-of manner, basic common sense says that this whole talk layout is...fucked. I mean it is MISERABLE to have this tiny edit window, a couple sets of scroll bars (in edit window and regular window--note, I need both when doing any formatting) and then search for where someone made a comment, seeing a block mass of text and then do that funky colon-typing crap. I think teletype operators had better message formats! And then listening to the shellback trogolodytes say that this is the best of all possible worlds...pshaw...y'all are the kind that says "why have windows and such, I want a dosprompt". Well...you're gonna lose!TCO (reviews needed) 05:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The point some folks seem to be missing is that on WP nobody careswho you are, the only thing that matters is what you do. Adding social networking features would have the effect of unfettered formation of cabals of people with shared POVs. The WikiProject system is a much more effective way to co-operate with others on shared interests while by their nature counteracting clique formation. Roger (talk) 11:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The foundation has a long history of over promising and under delivering. In fact their announcements hider regular developments since other developers/Toolserver users stop working avoid duplicating work. — Dispenser 12:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My two cents for this thread: see my essay User:Dcoetzee/Why wikithreads are bad on why our current talk page system really does suck and needs to be improved. Dcoetzee 04:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with everything in that essay of yours. I think liquid threads puts too much space in but that's a minor matter and can be fixed compared to the problems it solves. As to this discussion - I am totally against having special support for private conversations or forums. I can see soooooo many problems for Wikipedia coming from it and no gain whatsoever. If people want to socialize as private friends they can go elsewhere and I would hope they keep the two separate and not discuss Wikipedia in their private exchanges. Dmcq (talk) 09:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I'd rather the Foundation prioritised a way to get references out of the body text of articles (or even get a really working on-by-default WYSIWYG interface... one can dream). A large article liberally sprinkled with cite templates (especially in the one parameter per line format) is pretty hard for a very experienced user to edit; it's hard to imagine how off-putting it is to a newcomer. And don't get me started on complex tables... By contrast, minor formatting on talk pages (which users can always do without initially, it'll get fixed and they'll learn) is less of a problem. I mean, as long as we expect users to cope with wikitext formatting in articles, wikitext formatting in talk pages is trivial by comparison. Rd232talk 10:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How important is it to write well on Wiki talk pages, like Sandy and Malleus do?
Just curious. I am finding my talk comments to be miserable. Full of misspellings and improper homonyms and stray parentheses. And then not really in sentences. I see others go back and correct their comments. Also maybe it is "good practice" for article writing. Plus kinder on the readers. One down side is more work. And then it's not really an article. But...thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCO (talk • contribs) 18:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's always good to express oneself with sufficient clarity that others can understand you. In that context, I don't think stray parentheses or a few misspellings are anything to worry about. – ukexpat (talk) 19:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Given our current policies and guidelines, Strunk & White's Elements of Style do not currently apply to Wikipedia editors. You're free to propose policy changes over at the policy pump, however given how loose our policies and guidelines are, I highly doubt that they'll be implemented or enforced. You're still free to try if you believe it's worth your time, of course. --slakr\ talk / 19:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The important thing is to avoid ambiguity and confusion in your writing. Don't worry about the spelling and grammar so much. Sure, we all like to see a grammatical and correctly spelled comment. And there's no doubt it adds to your credibility. But I'd rather see a badly spelled and ungrammatical comment saying something clear and significant than a beautifully spelled piece of grammar which says nothing, or worse, is so tortuous that it could be saying anything. -- Derek Ross | Talk 01:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The notion that we would need a "style guide" or spelling rules for talk pages it a bit outlandish and we have more than enough beraucracy already. I suspect the reason why people correct their own postings is simply because they are annoyed by their own typos or ambiguities due to fast typing. Nothing wrong with that, but definitely no reason for any regulation here.--Kmhkmh (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How disappointing. I was rather hoping that SandyG and I might be publicly tumbrilled to our place of punishment, stripped and ... no, no ... must go and take a cold shower. MalleusFatuorum 01:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you're talking about a nice neutral Wikipedian 10degC cold shower and not one of those ice-cold 4degC showers so beloved by those who ignore the MoS and sneer at the NPoV. Otherwise I feel an RFC coming on... -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For a while I was using a device with a horrible keyboard and made numerous errors. I only corrected those talk page entries where there was ambiguity (or where the misspellings made me look uneducated rather than clumsy). So long as the meaning is apparent that's sufficient. Will Bebacktalk 09:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's a matter of what linguists term "register", see Register (sociolinguistics). There are modes of communication that are appropriate to different contexts. So, the way I write in a discussion page, like this one, is quite different from the way I would write in an article, and that is entirely appropriate. Just as you would use a different register when hanging out with some friends at a bar, drinking beers, than you would when conversing with colleages at a professional conference. Personally, I spend less time fretting over (and correcting) small errors in my writing on talk pages (like accidentally dropped apostrophes or the occasional "teh"), and don't often bother to correct such mistakes (excepting when the mistake leads to a likely misunderstanding of what I meant) when I use talk pages. This is quite different from when I compose article text, where I do take more care, and I do go back and fix accidental mistakes. --Jayron32 15:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See also Halo effect: The human brain is invincibly convinced that well-written, polite messages are naturally from better, smarter, more thoughtful people, whose views should therefore be honored and respected. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair warning here: I'm not going to tell anyone "Don't mean to be rude", because I am clearly about to say something rude. So be it. Given the subject of the thread, I'm not sure that "polite messages" accurately describes how Malleus is known to use the talk pages at Wikipedia. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that, but lets keep things somewhat relevent to the topic at hand. That being said, Malleus's article contributions are above reproach, and I don't think his lack of tact is necessarily related to his ability to be a great contributor to Wikipedia. Annoying at times? Sure, but then again, so am I, and I don't have the article contributions to justify my presence at Wikipedia that Malleus does, so who am I to judge. Be that as it may, however, I still think that using the term "polite" to describe anything regarding Malleus's interaction style to be almost humerously inaccurate. --Jayron32 18:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Jeez, you call that rude? You need to take some obnoxiousness lessons! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm always amazed at the rudeness of those so keen to denounce what they perceive as the rudeness of others that they are even prepared to lever it into a discussion like this one. I hope it's a condition I never succumb to. MalleusFatuorum 03:02, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've never once claimed I wasn't rude. I've also never once claimed I was anything resembling useful in regards to my presence here at Wikipedia. You, especially, Malleus should know me well enough by now to stop being surprised at my level of depravity and rudeness. --Jayron32 03:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"well-written, polite messages" are also sent by lawyers and tax official, who may not be "honored and respected". I agree with those who write clear, concise prose in Talk pages, even if they use less copyediting effort than in articles. --Philcha (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unbelievably disgusting
Unreliable, likely partisan and misplaced report
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Likely most of you think that it's not of your business what is going on in some other parts of the Wikimedia-Universe. But if you take a look at the current cases of mobbing, hostilities and persecution of/against Jewish contributors in the German Wikipedia you just have to be appalled. Not just as user/contributor of any Wikimedia project, but rather as a human. All of this happens under indulgence and/or active participation of virtually most of the admins. Some of the chasers don't even try to hide their motives. It's just unbelievably disgusting. --GelberZettelKrieg (talk) 16:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if what you say is going in is really going on (I have no idea if it is, or if it is not, but lets just assume that it is going on, just for the sake of this discussion. My comments following are not a validation of the truthfulness of your statement...) then I do find it disgusting. However, I personally lack any agency to cause any change in the situation. My level of disgust is thus impotent with regards to my ability to do anything. So what. I am disgusted. Now what do you want me to do? If you really want to effect change in the situation, you should do so through German wikipedia. I have never edited there, don't speak any passable German, and so I cannot do anything to make it better. My disgust is completely irrelevent. --Jayron32 16:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, I'm watching those cases too. And I'm feeling growing concernment. --Erzherzog Rudolf IV. (talk) 16:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't bring your fights from de.wiki here. –MuZemike 03:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If such things are happening over at de.wiki, you should contact the Wikimedia Foundation and let them handle it. But there is nothing that we English editors can do about what goes on outside of en.wiki. —Farix (t | c) 11:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
GelberZettelKrieg, the link you have provided does not support the statement you make here. There are contradictions and exaggerations. So far, only your titleword Unbelievably is supported. Let's get clear first: exactly what & why are you entering here? -DePiep (talk) 11:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I notice this is also the first contribution by the 'Yup' supporter of the poster. Looking at that de: page I quickly came to the conclusion my time had been wasted. Dmcq (talk) 12:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. It's not like a user's been randomly blocked; there's a community ban discussion currently running about 200 for, 50 against. Besides, as Jayron pointed out, this is nothing to do with en.wp. Rd232talk 22:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Propose closing this. Btw, can anyone put a welcome-new-user template on OP page? Thank you. -DePiep (talk) 23:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Widespread verification issues on the Month/Day articles (August 1 et. al.)
I've been preparing the anniversaries section for Portal:United States, which has necessitated visiting a ton of of the date pages I described in the title. Let me cut right to the chase. Every time I went though one, I found at least a few entries ranging from 'plausible sounding but not in the articles and therefore not verified' to 'utter bullshit', with a few other that were a day off or switched June with July or other such errors.
Either way, all 365 of those pages need to come under close scrutiny. Thoughts? Sven ManguardWha? 02:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Have fun! --Jayron32 02:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Margret Green or Margaret Green?
I had just finished updating the Margret Green Junior High School as part of the July GoCE Copy editing drive, when I discovered that there is another article, Margaret Green Junior High School, almost the same as the one I did but not copy edited. The proper article name is with the "a" in Margaret. Now I do not know what to do, so I am asking for help here. Please make sure my improvements and copyediting is retained. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I just took a look, it seems that the a-less version was made into a redirect to the properly spelled version. I glanced over the current article and didn't see anything blatantly in need of copyediting, but my guess is that your copyediting per se has been lost, more or less. If you click on the first wikilink you posted, then click on the link in the "redirected from" bit under the title, you should still have access to the history, including your edits, in case you want to see what applies to the current article, but you'll probably have to redo the edits themselves. If you need additional help you probably would be better off asking at WP:HD. Wabbott9Tell me about it.... 18:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Τι αίσχη είναι αυτά στο άρθρο ? από πότε και με ποιο δικαίωμα οι διαχειριστές ακολουθήτε την πολιτική ενός παράνομου『κράτους』και κάνετε προπαγάνδα υπέρ του ?? από πότε και με ποιο δικαίωμα πολιτικοποιήται την βικιπαίδεια ? ίσως θα έπρεπε να αρχίσουμε τις μηνύσεις σε πολιτικά δικαστήρια , θα γίνει κι αυτό, για να σοβαρευτείτε λίγο οι διαχειριστές εδώ, επίσης παραβιάζετε τις αποφάσεις του ΟΗΕ , Με ποιό δικαίωμα κάνετε πολιτική ??? εσείς τολμάτε να κρίνεται για εμένα? η το σπίτι μου που το κατέχουν τούρκοι ? η την περιουσία μου που την κατέχουν τούρκοι ? ΜΕ ΠΟΙΟ ΔΙΚΑΙΩΜΑ ???? ΝΤΡΟΠΗ ΣΑΣ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.244.167 (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Invitation to assist in adding donated content: GLAM/ARKive
Hi,
I am the Wikipedia Outreach Ambassador to ARKive, who have kindly agreed to donate an initial 200 article texts about endangered species from their project, to Wikipedia, under a CC-BY-SA license. Details are on the GLAM/ARKive project page. Your help, to merge the donated texts into articles, would be appreciated. Guidelines for doing so are also on the above page. Once articles have been expanded using the donated texts, we are also seeking assistance in having those articles translated into other languages. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns, on the project's talk page, or my own. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
SORANG WIKIPEDIAWAN ASAL INDONESIA SERTA SAHABAT BAIK SAYA AKHIRNYA DAN PERTAMA KALINYA MENJADI SEORANG STEWARD DALAM PEMILIHAN STEWARD KEDUA PADA TAHUN 2011 (bukti). MAKA DARI ITU, TANPA BASA-BASI LAGI SAYA DEKLARASIKAN TANGGAL 6 OKTOBER YANG MERUPAKAN HARI DIMANA DILANTIKNYA BELIAU SEBAGAI STEWARD SEBAGAI "HARI STEWARD NASIONAL" (khusus Erik Evrest) SEPERTI JANJI SAYA SEBELUMNYA DAN TAK LUPA SEBAGAI TAMBAHANNYA PADA TANGGAL 6 DESEMBER YANG MERUPAKAN HARI DIMANA UNTUK PERTAMA KALINYA ANTARA BENNYLIN DAN SAYA BERHUBUNGAN SOSIAL UNTUK PERTAMA KALINYA (bukti) SAYA DEKLARASIKAN SEBAGAI "HARI PERSAHABATAN BENNYLIN-ERIK EVREST" (juga khusus Erik Evrest) SERTA DIANTARA KEDUA TANGGAL TERSEBUT (6 November) SEBAGAI "HARI BENNYLIN NASIONAL" (dan sekali lagi khusus Erik Evrest)
This is a Wikipediauser page. This is not an encyclopedia article or the talk page for an encyclopedia article. If you find this page on any site other than Wikipedia, you are viewing a mirror site. Be aware that the page may be outdated and that the user whom this page is about may have no personal affiliation with any site other than Wikipedia. The original page is located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous).
Anyone please donk. Across the wiki at Wikia (not only in the Wiki) my IP is blocked forever at VegaDark. Though I only showed the VSTF if there is abuse by Not slayer, JonathanRyousuke, and Ninja palm but Jonathan reported that I made the false information. Please donk free to look (at least) send email to the VegaDark his or released from the blocking status at Wikia if you have that ability. Report from Jonathan Ryousuke not true plus he has no evidence about the common ownership of the account IndoManiak, Si Opm Papua, and MukaMulez. And report that I gave about the abuse by Jonathan itself, Bukan Pembantai, and Ninja sawit I have the proof to prove that I am not giving false report:
For the realization of the victory over the truth, soon dislodged the status of your account blocked IndoManiak, Si Opm Papua, and MukaMulez as well as block accounts Jonathan Ryousuke, Ninja sawit, and Bukan Pembantai. Thanks --Erik Evrest (talk) 13:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is en-wiki; we cannot get involved in disputes on the Indonesian wikipedia. Ironholds (talk) 15:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Image wrong way round
Hi, I'd like to draw people's attention to the following image:
which was found on the St. John's Water Dog page. However, the third reference on that article is the source for the image, and as you can see, the image is the other way round to the one on Wikipedia:
I have no idea how to edit this image, or even if this is the correct place to mention this (it seems like it would be forever before anyone noticed if I just used the talk page), but I hope someone can fix this, thanks. 91.110.239.188 (talk) 08:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Liaison with editors of Wikipedias in other languages
What's the best way to:
Alert multiple editors of Wikipedias in other languages, that a specific article has been created/ undergone a major expansion, and that translations are requested
Request collaboration with editors of Wikipedias in other languages for a particular project?
I'm happy with on- or off-Wiki solutions (mailing lists, for example) but am a monoglot, so can only write in English. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Others may know a more elegant solution, but I would leave a note at a community forum or help desk in the other language in English, with a mechanical translation. I have found editors on most projects very forgiving of my language limitations and generally pleased to assist. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you; I'll try that, but what I was hoping for - and perhaps I wasn't clear - was a forum where I could contact editors from more than one Wikipedia at once. After all, there are 282 of them! ;-) Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, others may know a more elegant solution. :) But I don't know of any way to reliably appeal for assistance from multiple projects at once. There are (as I'm sure you know) cross-project communication forums, including meta.wikimedia.org, Wikipedia-l (for cross-language Wikipedia discussion) and several IRC channels ([3]), but appeals there will only work if the kind of people interested in helping you are watching them. :) I've had better luck with direct outreach, myself (although I've not tried Wikipedia-l and don't know how such requests would be received there). --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Wright challenge gathered 40 plus editors here by leaving a well designed template on 141 wikis. The brains was Andrew Dalby. Its been successful. If you want to find out more then sign up as a participant Victuallers (talk) 21:08, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
File:Flag of London, Ontario.svg
The file commons:File:Flag of London, Ontario.svg, which is used on a very large number of pages (links), has been marked for nominated deletion on Wikimedia Commons for the following reason: Deletion requests July 2011. Rather than notify a large number of talk pages I am raising this on WP:AN and WP:VP to obtain the right intervention.
What to do
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Yep, this one is going to get deleted. Seems like the vast majority of the uses are from the London, Ontario navbox containing the image, and said navbox appearing in every London, Ontario related page. I'll remove it from the navbox so that we'll be able to see what's left on the usage list that needs dealing with. Sven ManguardWha? 07:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Question about fundraiser idea
I'm not sure where to put this, so I guess I'll put it here:
I have an idea for a fundraiser for the WMF, which would undoubtedly require the WMF to be an active participant (at least in getting it set up), and therefore, would require the WMF higher ups to... well... notice the proposal.
I know there are other sites, meta primarily, where stuff like this goes, however I have no idea what page to go to or how to get there.
Could someone be as kind as to post a link to where I need to go please?
A note to User:Maggie Dennis would either get it to the right place(and might even be the right place) or at worst, she could identify the right location to post.--SPhilbrickT 18:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've been summoned. :D I've checked, and there are basically two options for reaching the WMF about this. You can leave a message at meta:talk:Fundraising 2011 or you can e-mail donationswikimedia.org. There is also an IRC channel for donations, #wikimedia-fundraising, but it'll be luck of the draw whether there's somebody there at the moment you use it to talk to. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Geo coordinates from Google Earth
Hi. I have just corrected the coordinates here and I was wondering if copying the coordinates from Google Earth after locating the place is considered copyvio. Thanks, Malafaya (talk) 17:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Coordinates are not copyrightable. --Golbez (talk) 17:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not coordinates but what about the method I used to retrieve them? Malafaya (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If the coordinates cannot be copyrighted then how could the method possibly not be kosher? You're okay, really. --Golbez (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
wikimedia.org. There is also an IRC channel for donations, #wikimedia-fundraising, but it'll be luck of the draw whether there's somebody there at the moment you use it to talk to. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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