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Is there anything wrong with putting native titles beside the English titles of films and dramas in an artist's page, and should they be removed? Noticed most articles for Chinese actors are formatted that way. Example: Peng Yuchang.

I have proposed some updates about Shira Piven, the director of Welcome to Me. They are here: Talk:Shira Piven#Request Edits October 9 I’d appreciate any help with a review of these proposals for the live article, as I have a conflict of interest. I have also added these to the official Request Edit official queue, but it appears that almost no one is answering this queue anymore. Please feel free to reach out with questions. Thanks! Bobcat8730 (talk) 16:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I would like help updating Erika Thormahlen's article to reflect the latest Talk Page item on the article, below for reference:

Please add that she is the co-creator of Michelle and Barack Obama's latest kids show, "Listen to Your Vegetables & Eat Your Parents" which is a show about food for Netflix.

https://www.eater.com/2019/4/30/18524399/barack-michelle-obama-netflix-kids-show-listen-to-your-vegetables-and-eat-your-parents

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grettiferaniston (talk • contribs) 03:29, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:40, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This November, wp:Women in Red is focusing on women working behind the scenes in theatre and broadcasting. As filmmakers are an important component here, we hope members of WP Actors and Filmmakers will be inspired to participate. You can find further details at Stage+Screen+Radio+Podcast. The Women in Red invitation for November is copied below. Please feel free to send it to any potentially interested participants or projects.

Women in Red | November 2020, Volume 6, Issue 11, Numbers 150, 173, 178, 180, 181 Online events: New: Textile arts | Stage+Screen+Radio+Podcast Continuing initiatives: #1day1woman | BLM/Anti-discrimination Contest (Oct-Nov-Dec): Women in Asia Help us plan future events: Virtual Ideas Cafe Join the conversation: Women in Red talkpage Stay in touch: Join WikiProject Women in Red | Opt-out of notifications Social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Ipigott (talk) 11:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ipigott, I am not editing much lately, but in case it would help, I put together Polly Morgan (cinematographer) some time ago in case it can be used as an example to follow when creating similar articles. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Erik: That's just the kind of article we're aiming for and is indeed a good example for those interested in participating. I see you were virtually the only editor involved in developing all the interesting details. Maybe you could devote just an hour or two of your November editing time to make a start on one of the other women who deserve to be covered. Others might be interested in collaborating with you. In any case, it's good to receive such a positive response from WP Actors and Filmmakers.--Ipigott (talk) 16:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ipigott, thanks, I set up a reminder that it kicks off next month. I was doing some brief research just now and learned that the American Society of Cinematographers (of which Morgan is a member) has very few female cinematographers. Most of them have their own Wikipedia article, except one: Joan Churchill. How can the list be updated to include her? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Erik: Thanks for the tip. I've added Joan Churchill to the editathon page below the redlinks. If you find any more, please add them, if possible with a source. If you want her to be included on the Wikidata redlist, then she should be added to Wikidata.--Ipigott (talk) 20:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film § Netflix films are Direct-to-video films?. This topic is about how to handle "direct-to-streaming" films in Filmographies, so this discussion is directly relevant to this WP. Thank you. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers! I volunteer at the Entertainment Reference Desk and noticed that an IP user said that one of their favorite actresses isn't on Wikipedia. You can view the page here: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment#Actress not in Wikipedia. I thought here would the place to find editors to help! Dswitz10734 (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure if this is the best venue to raise this issue, but in my Watchlist sphere, I've seen an uptick in actor biographies of people including dubbing roles. (One such example with this editor's changes.) At Sahil Vaid there is a list of dubbing roles that this actor has had. While I understand there are dubbing artists who are talented, I'm not entirely sure what the community's appreciation is of this skill, or its noteworthiness in the broad scheme of acting, since so many major works get dubbed in languages across the world, and if dubbing significant roles in significant shows would make someone notable, then we'd have thousands of articles about people who dub.

In addition to this, I'm also not sure how to verify this content, since broadcast shows usually only include credits for the native cast. (Indian TV shows don't even always include credits for live-action actors, if you can believe that. If you can't believe that, please read this article.)

Sometimes streaming services will include a litany of dub credits in their expanded closing credits, but if someone is claiming that So-and-So did the Gujarati dub of Monica from Friends, how would that be reasonably verifiable? And yes, I know that verifiability doesn't always have to be easy, this seems like a unique intersection of dubiously noteworthy and generally impossible to verify. Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Under the principle of "not IMDb" (aside: and, one of these days, I need to go back and finish this essay of mine and more it to WP space for exactly situations such as this...), I would say it's basically WP:UNDUE/WP:INDISCRIMINATE to include "foreign dubbing" (esp. for TV series) in an actor's Filmography. I would say it would be OK to mention this in prose, if it's covered in WP:RS(s) somewhere. But this is too low-rung a role to include in a Filmography... We really need to get away from the idea that we should list everything in Wikipedia Filmographies – really, Filmographies should be reserved for truly notable roles, and for some journeyman actors, we should really cut them down to 'Select filmographies' of just the most notable roles... My $0.02. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Things get a bit murky to me because there could possible be people who are notable for dubbing, like BhagyalakshmiorAngel Shijoy maybe? (I am not familiar with either, but they have articles...) It's a little confusing to me how they operate. The Bhagyalakshmi article says that she mostly works in Malayalam films and dubs for Shobana, who has acted in a shitload of Malayalam films. So does that mean that Shobana doesn't speak Malayalam? If she does, why does she need to be dubbed. If she doesn't, why is she working in Malayalam films? So confusing. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Italian actors § Requested move 9 November 2020. GreenComputer (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

What are the criteria for including awards in actor bios? Where I edit, I constantly see people stuffing actor award sections with every accolade the person has received: SBD Stardom Awards, Iwmbuzz Style Awards (Iwmbuzz is a press-release outlet), Gold Glam and Style Awards, Techofes Awards, etc. (Techofes is a cultural festival held by a technology school that for some reason gives out awards to actors and films and stuff.) Then there are the mom-and-pop award mills, which are everywhere. Sometimes these mills will try to piggyback on the recognition of another award. For instance, there are numerous mills named after the Dadasaheb Phalke Award, a lifetime achievement award issued by the Indian government for a person's work in film.

I know that WP:FILMCRITICLIST exists, but that's under MOS:FILM and not MOS:BIO, so I can't say with 100% confidence that this represents consensus about biographical entries. Does it? Are we supposed to just be logging everything as long as it is sourced, or should there be a requirement that the award is notable, i.e. either that it already has an established Wikipedia article, or that the award could have an article because the GNG could be met. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cyphoidbomb this wikiproject has become stagnant and/or moribund (yes I am working too many crosswords during this pandemic) so if you don't get an answer in a timely fashion you might want to try the filmproject talkpage. I do seem to remember at least two discussions that decided that awards were to be limited to organizations that had articles on WikiP. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh, I see you mentioned WP:FILMCRITICLIST. Apologies for missing that. IMO that should also be a part of MOS:BIO as well. Maybe a discussion is needed at a wikiproject for biographies. MarnetteD|Talk 17:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know that WP:FILMCRITICLIST exists! 1) It definitely needs to be cited or "pasted" into MOS:BIO and MOS:TV as well. And, 2) it is definitely missing a sentence on making sure tables are accessible, and as readable as possible – the biggest issues with awards tables, aside from proliferation of non-notable awards listings is – surprise! – awful use of rowspan that makes these tables harder to read. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@IJBall: Hey, I too learn new stuff about Wikipedia every day almost. I'd love to hear input from others, but would also love if we could put this in as many places as possible (MOS:TV?) if it does actually represent community consensus. I've seen it cited by people for years and not just for film awards, so it feels like there is a practical consensus (or whatever the community calls that). Per MarnetteD's suggestion above, what do you two think the best approach is: invite people from WikProject Bio to this discussion, or re-open it there? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MyWP:OR is that inviting editors here will get fewer responses than opening a new thread there but, as in so many things, I could be wrong. If WP:FILMCRITICLIST criteria is going to be added to more than one MOS IMO it's better to get as much input as possible. MarnetteD|Talk 18:47, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll open it at the MOS:BIO talk page. In the interim, I'll close this discussion just so there's only one open at a time. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The article Safia Monney has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Subject ostensibly falls well short of notability guidelines. The only references I can find to her are the words "Safia Monney, actress" in a self-published text called the World Heritage Encyclopedia (no connection to UNESCO; I can't link it here due to the spam blacklist, but the encyclopedia entry is entitled "List of Iraqis"), a reference to her having COVID-19 in an opinion article by Russian dezinformatsiya outlet Sputnik (deprecated source; title is "French Suspected of Having Coronavirus Can't Get Tested for Three Weeks"), and her name appearing once in https://www.google.com/books/edition/MOVING_CAMERAS_AND_LIVING_MOVIES/k5rFBgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Safia+Monney&pg=PA129&printsec=frontcover a massive list of names in another self-published book. Moreover, none of the roles on her short list of credits on IMDb are actually prominent within the series or movies in question outside of one obscure French short called Vanille.

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I really can't find anything that would justify saving this article, but the inclusionist in me says that I've been wrong before and that I should put it out there to other people who e.g. might speak French and could therefore find sources I wouldn't even know were out there. I'll be sending this notification to the article's creator as well and linking to this page, but it seems they haven't made a contribution since 2008. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 05:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I was made aware that a reader/donor noticed how the pictures on this person's page are all pretty old. I uploaded File:David Hasselhoff at Fedcon26.jpg, the most recent free image I could find. Would anyone consider putting it in the infobox or somewhere else in the page? TYVM, Elitre (talk) 16:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]