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• The 50 Over ODI World Cup is named the Cricket World Cup, without ICCorMen's even though the recent official name for the ICC given in 2023 was the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup. After discussion, the page was not moved due to following the common name. Same rule is followed for all of its related pages, categories and templates.
• In contrast, the 20 Over T20I World Cup is named as ICC Men's T20 World Cup and discussions reaching the conclusion that we have to follow the official name. Same rule is followed for all of its related pages, categories and templates.
• In the past however, (before 2021), all of the T20 World Cup pages had a previous name - The ICC World Twenty20: and did not have the word men's in it. Even on wiki where you're supposed to have a common continued name for all events - different ones are being followed - and contrasting reasons are being given in discussions to close them.

A possible solution from my side:

• We can follow the Cricket World Cup style - remove ICC and Men's from all the titles of the t20 world cup pages - for eg. 2024 T20 World Cup, 2016 World Twenty20, List of squads for the 2022 T20 World Cup. For the women's t20 world cup articles - we follow the same rule - 2024 Women's T20 World Cup, 2016 Women's World Twenty20, etc. Same style.
• Next year when the Champions Trophy is held - we see what name the ICC brings out and then follow the same style of naming.

Thanks for reading this far editors - I hope we can deliberate! I shall be pinging some editors who have historically commented here (having both opinions), just to have conversation. Not trying to brigade. Pharaoh496 (talk) 08:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, Thanks for inviting me to contribute to this, hope to come to an agreed solution.

I still believe Wikipedia should not be able to override or otherwise "edit" the name of an event when the official branding from the owning organisations change their naming schemes (in this case the ICC).This is ultimately why I still believe that we need to begin including gender specification as how the ICC now refers to the world up. This is why I believe that for a longer term fix, this might need a further discussion on whether or not Wikipedia:Official names requires changes in how it handles naming changes. in addition we may need to consider whether Wikipedia:Article titles is relevant (specifically the Name Changes section may require more consideration). I however have not had the time to properly flesh out and open a discussion on that page, if anyone else is willing to (and sees merit in seeking further clarification from the guidelines), please feel free to do so.

With respect to the solutions, I don't see much difference between the current naming scheme and the one proposed in the first point, and I am generally not one to "kick the can down the road" so to speak, and therefore not willing to wait till the Champions trophy to make a decision. It is for those reasons I am happy to leave the pages as is, until the guidelines are clarified on these types of situations. TheDataStudent (talk) 09:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That might be true, but shouldnt they have a similar categorization of naming? Either remove icc or keep it for all, and remove men's or keep it for all? Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what I found:

• A Google search for Champions Trophy gives these results: [1] [2] [3] - about ICC Champions Trophy
• A Google search for ODI World Cup gives these results: [4] [5] [6] - about ICC Cricket World Cup
• A Google search for T20I World Cup gives these results: [7] [8] [9] - about ICC Men's T20 World Cup

These are clearly the WP:COMMONNAMES. Given Wikipedia doesn't have ICC on Cricket World Cup article, don't think it's necessary on other articles as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That might be true, but shouldnt they have a similar categorization of naming? Either remove icc or keep it for all, and remove men's or keep it for all? Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the odi world cup, it does have men's in ever article except wikipedia. while that in itself is totally fine - atleast we should follow that style for all icc events. Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions related to this moves have been made before too, one was just a month or two before I guess. I think it would be fine with removing ICC, but having gender differentiation I feel is still necessary considering women's and men's tournaments are held in the same year. Cric editor (talk) 12:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you put women's in those pages, they are differentiated.

Exhibit A:

• 2016 ICC World Twenty20
• 2016 ICC Women's World Twenty20

Remove ICC and its no different @Cric editor Pharaoh496 (talk) 14:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with it. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add mens and its no different either, removing icc would require just the same amount of effort as adding mens.

Fundamentally this naming scheme mis-represents the status of womens events as somehow lower in the status quo as compared to the mens competition - it implies that the Mens World T20 is the penultimate competition in all of international cricket, and the womens game is just some seperate sideshow, I understand historical context may lend itself to that perspective, but it is no longer the case, and wikipedia should acknowledge and represent that. TheDataStudent (talk) 22:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to add that ICC Men's T20 World Cup was moved to a gender specific article. therefore we can modify other pages to reflect gender specifications if we are being so strict about WP:COMMONNAME TheDataStudent (talk) 02:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps, the same thing is followed in Asia Cup Pharaoh496 (talk) 10:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is very very far from the case - All men's teams and competitions of all sports accross the world dont have the name "men's" in their wiki page - no one is saying that the women's team or event is lower in status. Its the common name followed. Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You take any national team, any world cup; any ipl team and it does not have men's. This is the convention being followed, and the t20iwc should stick to it. Please do read again what I said in my earlier first message.Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, what other sporting bodies name their competitions is not relevant to this case, The ICC is not FIFA and FIFA is not ICC.

Secondly, there are many examples within cricket pages of Men's being in the title, 

ICC Men's Test Team Rankings

ICC Men's T20I Team Rankings

ICC men's player rankings

ICC Men's Test Team of the Year

ICC Men's ODI Team Rankings

If we are being so strict about WP common name for articles cricproject's remit, then there is more than ample evidence for Men's to be added as anything else related to the ICC contains a gender modifier. How individual nations decide to name their teams and competitions is not relevant because that's up to the national governing body. Anything directly ICC related/administered, like the World Cups, or Champions Trophy, should be named as per ICC naming schemes. TheDataStudent (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Rankings is different to what competitions are.
• FIFA and ICC can be looked with the same eye as far as wikipedia names are concerned.
• All these need a reform.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Both are ICC administered, therefore equivalent

2. No they aren't and should not be. Thats like saying Nepalese Cuisene and Indian Cuisine are the same because they happen to share geography and a similar spice pallete.

3. They don't need reform because thats how the ICC publishes rankings. 115.64.43.63 (talk) 07:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read: WP:OFFICIALNAME and WP:COMMONNAME, We don't use the official names here; we use common names which might differ from the names published by ICC. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 07:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at International cricket in 2024 (and other seasons as well); it says women's tournaments but, doesn't say men's tournaments.

Furthermore, women cricket formats are WTest, WODI and WT20I but men's cricket formats are just Test, ODI and T20I not MTest, MODI and MT20I.

Looks like we don't need the gender differentiations in men's events as they are the main events and should only have a hatnote about it. While, women's events should have the term "women's" given the historical significance of men's events Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pharaoh496 should start an RM for a better consensus,

• ICC Men's T20 World Cup → T20 World Cup
• ICC Women's T20 World Cup → Women's T20 World Cup
• ICC Men's Test Team Rankings → ICC Test team rankings
• ICC Men's T20I Team Rankings → ICC T20I team rankings
• ICC Men's ODI Team Rankings → ICC ODI team rankings
• ICC Women's ODI and T20I Team Rankings → ICC WODI and WT20I team rankings
• ICC men's player rankings → ICC player rankings

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 01:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also some more:

• ICC World Test Championship → World Test Championship
• ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Qualifier → Cricket World Cup Qualifier
• ICC Men's T20 World Cup Qualifier → T20 World Cup Qualifier
• ICC Women's Cricket World Cup Qualifier → Women's Cricket World Cup Qualifier
• ICC Women's T20 World Cup Qualifier → Women's T20 World Cup Qualifier
• Under-19 Men's Cricket World Cup → Under-19 Cricket World Cup

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 04:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hundred percent. I will get to it in a day. Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Started: Click here for the discussion @Vestrian24Bio Pharaoh496 (talk) 09:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't we have squad templates for every team playing at the World Cup for every season?, while we have the same for women's tournaments. These templates can not only be transcluded in players' pages, but also can be used in the articles of teams' performance at the World Cup.

• For the past week, I've been creating articles for performance of teams at the T20 World Cup, for eg. Australia at the T20 World Cup. Instead of having squads listed for every season just like in the Cricket World Cup pages, we can replace them with these templates hence reducing the size of the page too.tead of

Cric editor (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't use templates. They're a right pain in the neck to manage for non-expert editors. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, don't use templates to hide article content. Spike 'em (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you need to manage? Create them and leave on the cricketers' page Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the guidelines and help pages for templates, specifically navigation templates. Also, data-dumps are not suitable for an encyclopedia (especially when they are just duplicating information already contained in other articles); the "at the T20 WC" articles you are creating need well-sourced prose throughout. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles like this one you created List of Gibraltar women Twenty20 International cricketers are going to get deleted. Desertarun (talk) 12:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And this one 2024 Scotland Tri-Nation Series (round 3). The simple rule I follow is that if all I can write in the article leaves it a stub I don't create it. Desertarun (talk) 12:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Scotland Tri-Nation Series (round 3) shouldn't be deleted; We had articles for each series in the previous League 2 as well. Also, according to the Rater's algorithm the article is Start-class; should be reassessed. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I wouldn't vote for it to be deleted myself, but could see non-cricketers doing so. Desertarun (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This list was created following the same format of the similar articles that already exist, we have lists of players that have represented at International cricket for even teams that have played only one T20I, and if 2024 Scotland Tri-Nation Series (round 3) fails to have a standalone article, that makes all of these series' articles from previous cycle not notable too. Please let me know the issues so that I can correct them :) Cric editor (talk) 16:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do the articles have "(round n)" in the title? Are there any sources that use that? Spike 'em (talk) 18:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There to state which round it is in the League 2. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why can't the rounds be merged with the parent article? Desertarun (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are 24 rounds giving a total of 144 matches; that many of them in one article won't be constructive. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

24 rounds sounds a lot. Sooner or later someone's going to try to merge, redirect or delete them. There has to be a better way than this? Desertarun (talk) 08:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The round info should just be mentioned in the body of the article, it is completely confusing to have them in the titles. How does anyone reading the title know which competition it is Round N of? It fails at least 3 of the 5 WP:CRITERIA. Spike 'em (talk) 09:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay so I looked through it, turns out rounds weren't initially included in the title until 2022 United Arab Emirates Tri-Nation Series (round 9) created by User:Lugnuts; since then it has been kept going on. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

guess it was to differentiate 2022 United Arab Emirates Tri-Nation Series (round 9) and 2022 United Arab Emirates Tri-Nation Series (round 10). Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lugnuts was banned for creating tens of thousands of stub/spam articles just like these. Before doing any more work on these articles I suggest you find a work around that'll prevent them getting deleted or redirected. Desertarun (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could merge the 24 articles into 3 articles at least:

• ICC Cricket World Cup League 2 in 2024
• ICC Cricket World Cup League 2 in 2025
• ICC Cricket World Cup League 2 in 2026

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 01:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would be better. Desertarun (talk) 05:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wisden Trophy has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:ICC Men's T20 World Cup#Requested move 9 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all. I was in the middle of attempting to expand the article on the above cricketer, when I noticed the London Gazette reference referring to his wife, Ella. In it, her late husband is identified as "Colonel Edward Barrett". Interestingly, a search for Colonel Edward Barrett on the BNA brings up a chairman of the Farnham United Breweries, which would make sense as he was a Farnham man. CI and CA have his dates of birth and death as follows: 11 June 1846 – 23 December 1923. A notice of death in the BNA records his death from a motor accident as occurring on 19 January 1922, aged 67, making his year of birth 1854 or 1855. Is it likely CA and CI have the dates for a different Edward Barrett? An 1854/55 DOB would also make more sense, as his FC debut was 1885, making him more likely to debut at 29/30 than over 40. Thoughts? AA (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His son's Cheltenham entry gives his father's address as Sandbanks in Dorset, where the inquest into Colonel Edward Barrett notes his residence as being... gotta be the same guy! AA (talk) 20:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems likely. [10] _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 12:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for finding this. I'm going to have to find a way around WP:ORIGINAL here! AA (talk) 16:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no point in creating stub-class articles for future ICC events; they only have confirmed hosts, other than that not even the format is confirmed. Take a look at the following pages,

• 2026 ICC Women's T20 World Cup (just a stub)
• 2028 ICC Men's T20 World Cup (even the given format is just speculation)
• 2029 ICC Champions Trophy (redirect; look at past revision)
• 2030 ICC Men's T20 World Cup (redirect; look at past revision)
• 2031 Cricket World Cup (redirected after AfD; past revision)

A consensus should be made on when new articles for future events should be created... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest that the new articles should only be created when the qualification process for the event commences, then only we could know confirmed format, qualification scenario etc. Until then, they should remain as redirects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are approved pages of retired players t20 cricket league on wikipedia like Legends League Cricket, World Masters League T20 and Road Safety World Series, etc. This tournament is similar to the above tournaments.

Add this tournament page to category 2024 in English Cricket.

The tournament is approved by the England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB), it will be played at Edgbaston Cricket Ground in the United Kingdom. The WCL will feature teams from India, Pakistan, Australia, England, West Indies and South Africa.

The tournament will feature a host of cricket legends from these six nations. From India - Yuvraj Singh, Harbhajan Singh and Suresh Raina are some of the big names who will play in the WCL 2024.

Apart from these stalwarts, other international stars like Brett Lee, Aaron Finch, Shaun Marsh, Ben Cutting, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Younis Khan, Jacques Kallis, JP Duminy, Dale Steyn, Chris Gayle, Daren Sammy, Dwayne Smith, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara and Samit Patel will also feature in the tournament.

The World Championship of Legends started on Wednesday, July 3, 2024 and will end on Saturday, July 13, 2024. The competition will see the return of the bowl-out format to decide a winner in case of a tie.

Teams

• Australia Champions
• India Champions
• England Champions
• Pakistan Champions
• South Africa Champions
• West Indies Champions

• Official website
• Tournament homeatCricbuzz

Vikas265 (talk) 12:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You already asked for this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 94#Create a page on 2024 World Championship of Legends, and I don't think the answer will have changed since then. Richard3120 (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vikas265 this should only be created if it meets WP:GNG. Don't ask the same questions here over and over again. If yo continue repeating questions here because you don't like the answers, I will seek administrator action to block you from this page. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do. 87.5% of their articles have been deleted and they add nothing to the cricket project. AA (talk) 16:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the page has been created. I've seen no mention of this tournament anywhere in the British media, so IU doubt that it meets GNG. To call most of the retired players taking part "legends" would seem to be rather stretching things. JH (talk page) 07:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jhall1: He's literally just copying and pasting press releases which describe them as "legends": https://www.ndtvprofit.com/sports/world-championship-of-legends-wcl-2024-schedule-teams-live-streaming-and-more#:~:text=The%20WCL%20will%20feature%20teams,play%20in%20the%20WCL%202024. Richard3120 (talk) 16:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved in back to draftspace Draft:2024 World Championship of Legends, since the article does nothing to establish notability. If Vikas265 inevitable ignores everyone here again and moves it back to article space, I will be AFDing it. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also on related note, I see 2023 Legends League Cricket Masters (the last season of it) has been previously deleted as non-notable. I've also started a couple of AFDs on articles mentioned here, feel free to contribute there: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Legends League Cricket and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Road Safety World Series. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now we have Under-19 cricketers without senior debuts being added and deemed notable, largely due to WP:REFBOMBorWP:INHERITED. Given the above topic, do we actually have any proper, quality article creation/editing taking place anymore? AA (talk) 21:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]