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{{WikiProject Halloween|class=Project}} |
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==Starting Discussion== |
==Starting Discussion== |
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What do we define as the jurisdiction of this project? Does that mean any Halloween related articles? Or any horror/scary articles? Does it mean something like [[Treehouse of Horror (series)|this]]? Cheers, [[User:RockManQ|<font color=#808080>'''RockManQ'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:RockManQ|(talk)]]</sup> 01:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC) |
What do we define as the jurisdiction of this project? Does that mean any Halloween related articles? Or any horror/scary articles? Does it mean something like [[Treehouse of Horror (series)|this]]? Cheers, [[User:RockManQ|<font color=#808080>'''RockManQ'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:RockManQ|(talk)]]</sup> 01:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Featured content nominations == |
== Featured content nominations == |
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Featured content candidates rightly should be stuff listed at [[WP:FAC|Featured article candidates]], [[WP:FPC|Featured picture candidates]], or [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidates]]. Let's use this section to nominate articles that we would like to bring to that level! |
Featured content candidates rightly should be stuff listed at [[WP:FAC|Featured article candidates]], [[WP:FPC|Featured picture candidates]], or [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidates]]. Let's use this section to nominate articles that we would like to bring to that level! |
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== Userbox on project page == |
== Userbox on project page == |
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I have tried to tweak the demonstration userbox banner to prevent the project page from being included in the category, but I'm out of my depth.--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 19:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
I have tried to tweak the demonstration userbox banner to prevent the project page from being included in the category, but I'm out of my depth.--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 19:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Halloween to GA and beyond == |
== Halloween to GA and beyond == |
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[[Halloween]] was a good article over two years ago but has since been delisted. I would like to set a goal of not only returning it to that status, but getting it featured for Halloween of 2009. What will this take? Let's keep the discussion in one thread for the moment so the historians will be able to more easily track the progress of this momentous task! :-P--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 16:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC) |
[[Halloween]] was a good article over two years ago but has since been delisted. I would like to set a goal of not only returning it to that status, but getting it featured for Halloween of 2009. What will this take? Let's keep the discussion in one thread for the moment so the historians will be able to more easily track the progress of this momentous task! :-P--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 16:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Criteria for inclusion == |
== Criteria for inclusion == |
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The addition of ''articles facing deletion'' raises again the question (spectre?) of criteria for inclusion. An article pertaining to [[A Nightmare Before Christmas]] is arguably appropriate for this WikiProject since Halloween is a clear and prevalent theme, but what about articles relating to [[Dracula]] and other [[vampire]]s? This is a grayer area for this project to consider. When I drafted the original page I deliberately left the scope vague because I didn't want to assume that my own views are remotely similar to the consensus of a group, so I won't go any further without reading input from other members.--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 03:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC) |
The addition of ''articles facing deletion'' raises again the question (spectre?) of criteria for inclusion. An article pertaining to [[A Nightmare Before Christmas]] is arguably appropriate for this WikiProject since Halloween is a clear and prevalent theme, but what about articles relating to [[Dracula]] and other [[vampire]]s? This is a grayer area for this project to consider. When I drafted the original page I deliberately left the scope vague because I didn't want to assume that my own views are remotely similar to the consensus of a group, so I won't go any further without reading input from other members.--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 03:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I really like a broader interpretation of article inclusion. I see no reason the examples given should be excluded. In fact, I was going to tag [[candy corn]], myself. <sup><small>[[User:Law|<font color="black">'''Law'''</font>]]</small></sup><sub><small> [[User talk:Law|<font color="black">shoot!</font>]]</small></sub> 03:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC) |
:I really like a broader interpretation of article inclusion. I see no reason the examples given should be excluded. In fact, I was going to tag [[candy corn]], myself. <sup><small>[[User:Law|<font color="black">'''Law'''</font>]]</small></sup><sub><small> [[User talk:Law|<font color="black">shoot!</font>]]</small></sub> 03:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Barnstar == |
== Barnstar == |
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[[Image:Halloween_Barnstar.PNG|left|100px]]I asked members of [[WP:AWARDS]] if they could try making a Barnstar for good Halloween work, and one editor was quick to create the image that you see to the left. Please let me know if it suits the purposes of this project!--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 20:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC) |
[[Image:Halloween_Barnstar.PNG|left|100px]]I asked members of [[WP:AWARDS]] if they could try making a Barnstar for good Halloween work, and one editor was quick to create the image that you see to the left. Please let me know if it suits the purposes of this project!--[[User:Otherlleft|otherlleft]] ([[User talk:Otherlleft|talk]]) 20:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC) |
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: I like it. cheers, [[User:10draftsdeep|10draftsdeep]] ([[User talk:10draftsdeep|talk]]) 14:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
: I like it. cheers, [[User:10draftsdeep|10draftsdeep]] ([[User talk:10draftsdeep|talk]]) 14:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Haunted attractions == |
== Haunted attractions == |
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The writing style for articles about [[haunted attraction]]s could use some work. One of the biggest problems that I see is that the attractions frequently become a list of annual themes, which can quickly become a long list of mostly notable information, when probably only particular notable themes should be highlighted. I don't have an initial proposal, but I think that developing a standard format by consensus would be very helpful. Any input would be appreciated.--[[User:Otherlleft|otherl]][[User talk:Otherlleft|left]]<sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor_review/Otherlleft|No, really, other way . . .]]</sup> 11:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC) |
The writing style for articles about [[haunted attraction]]s could use some work. One of the biggest problems that I see is that the attractions frequently become a list of annual themes, which can quickly become a long list of mostly notable information, when probably only particular notable themes should be highlighted. I don't have an initial proposal, but I think that developing a standard format by consensus would be very helpful. Any input would be appreciated.--[[User:Otherlleft|otherl]][[User talk:Otherlleft|left]]<sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor_review/Otherlleft|No, really, other way . . .]]</sup> 11:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:Agreed, a standard format for Haunted attractions would be good. Most of them are currently list format, trivial facts, and non-sourced. A format would be a nice way to clean up a bunch of these as well. I'll try and think up a couple. [[User talk:RockManQ|<font color=#808080; span style="font-family:Calibri, Myriad, Trebuchet MS, sans serif;font-size:100%;">RockManQ</font>]]<sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/RockManQ 2|Review me]]</sup> 22:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC) |
:Agreed, a standard format for Haunted attractions would be good. Most of them are currently list format, trivial facts, and non-sourced. A format would be a nice way to clean up a bunch of these as well. I'll try and think up a couple. [[User talk:RockManQ|<font color=#808080; span style="font-family:Calibri, Myriad, Trebuchet MS, sans serif;font-size:100%;">RockManQ</font>]]<sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/RockManQ 2|Review me]]</sup> 22:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC) |
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What do we define as the jurisdiction of this project? Does that mean any Halloween related articles? Or any horror/scary articles? Does it mean something like this? Cheers, RockManQ (talk) 01:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Featured content candidates rightly should be stuff listed at Featured article candidates, Featured picture candidates, or Featured list candidates. Let's use this section to nominate articles that we would like to bring to that level!
Also, if anyone is aware of Halloween articles that have been featured or nominated, please update the page!--otherlleft (talk) 19:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried to tweak the demonstration userbox banner to prevent the project page from being included in the category, but I'm out of my depth.--otherlleft (talk) 19:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Halloween was a good article over two years ago but has since been delisted. I would like to set a goal of not only returning it to that status, but getting it featured for Halloween of 2009. What will this take? Let's keep the discussion in one thread for the moment so the historians will be able to more easily track the progress of this momentous task! :-P--otherlleft (talk) 16:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. I did a very brief look over and this is was I found:
Granted, this was just a basic lookover, but I'd certainly be willing to help, when possible. I look forward to working on this and good luck! RockManQ (talk) 17:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow...that's long. RockManQ (talk) 18:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Warning: a lot of people feel invested in this article. Previous edit wars were about the perils Halloween presents to modern-day Christians; whether the Celtic festival of Samhain was a new year festival; and whether the Pope moved All Saints Day to November 1 to co-opt the celebration of Samhain. Another thing to watch out for is relying on error-ridden popular histories of Halloween as sources, and the Web is littered with those. Look for scholarly works that use primary sources, most of which can be found in books, not on the Web. — Walloon (talk) 23:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The addition of articles facing deletion raises again the question (spectre?) of criteria for inclusion. An article pertaining to A Nightmare Before Christmas is arguably appropriate for this WikiProject since Halloween is a clear and prevalent theme, but what about articles relating to Dracula and other vampires? This is a grayer area for this project to consider. When I drafted the original page I deliberately left the scope vague because I didn't want to assume that my own views are remotely similar to the consensus of a group, so I won't go any further without reading input from other members.--otherlleft (talk) 03:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've read the article just before it was delisted and the structure seems much better than it is today, though it is beset by the problems mentioned above regarding unreferenced statements in particular. (I also note it was delisted very soon after I made my original edits which I hope was just coincidence;). The segmentation into sub-articles about the various countries gives the whole thing a scrappy "Did you know?" feel - like a meandering trivia section. We might be better to go back to the GA version just after the classification and start from there. We could then agree what material should be added back in and how; and come up with some criteria for inclusion and reference standards. Sarah777 (talk) 08:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I copied the discussions of article improvement to Talk:Halloween/Comments with the hopes that we can get others intrigued. It's only got seasonal interest but I gotta hope!--otherlleft (talk) 17:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I asked members of WP:AWARDS if they could try making a Barnstar for good Halloween work, and one editor was quick to create the image that you see to the left. Please let me know if it suits the purposes of this project!--otherlleft (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The writing style for articles about haunted attractions could use some work. One of the biggest problems that I see is that the attractions frequently become a list of annual themes, which can quickly become a long list of mostly notable information, when probably only particular notable themes should be highlighted. I don't have an initial proposal, but I think that developing a standard format by consensus would be very helpful. Any input would be appreciated.--otherlleftNo, really, other way . . . 11:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]