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This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report 4 times. The weeks in which this happened: February 27 to March 5, 2022 March 6 to 12, 2022 March 13 to 19, 2022 March 20 to 26, 2022 Section sizes Section size for Azov Brigade (37 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 12,197 12,197 History 15 114,617 Background and founding, February–April 2014 21,680 21,680 Special Tasks Patrol Police, May 2014 15,131 15,131 Reorganisation and incorporation into the National Guard of Ukraine, November 2014 4,128 4,128 Battle of Shyrokyne, January 2015 15,864 15,864 2016–2019 3,700 3,700 Russian invasion of Ukraine 4,838 54,099 Defense of Mariupol 43,311 43,311 Other 'Azov' units 5,950 5,950 Leadership and organisation 3,112 28,076 Commanders 4,392 4,392 Status 3,401 3,401 Foreign fighters 17,171 17,171 Azov movement 11,210 24,574 Azov Civil Corps 639 639 National Corps 3,092 3,092 Youth Corps 1,400 1,400 National Militia, 2017–2020 4,929 4,929 Centuria 3,304 3,304 Human rights violations 3,311 3,311 Neo-Nazism allegations 42,828 48,347 Connection to antisemitism 5,519 5,519 International arms and training controversies 52 13,203 United States 8,056 8,056 Canada 2,293 2,293 Israel 1,432 1,432 Greece 1,370 1,370 Use in Russian propaganda and information campaigns 191 20,960 Pre-2022 8,637 8,637 Russian invasion 12,132 12,132 Sham trials in Russia 4,949 4,949 See also 188 188 References 10,166 10,166 Notes 24 24 Further reading 2,108 2,108 External links 821 821 Total 283,541 283,541 This article has been mentioned by a media organization: Omer Benjakob (14 March 2022). "Russia's War on Truth: Top Wikipedia Editor Arrested Amidst Ukraine Censorship". Haaretz. Retrieved 15 March 2022. Though Putin's bogus claims of "denazifying" Ukraine were called out, in English, the article on the contemporary far-right neo-Nazi Ukrainian paramilitary group, known as the Azov Battalion, has become a battleground, with some attempts to whitewash the group and deny their use of a Nazi symbol and neo-Nazi sentiments.

Greetings @F.Alexsandr, why have you removed [1] "Allegations" from the section title? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because its a fact, not merely allegations. F.Alexsandr (talk) 14:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your claim is wrong. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you are basing your alteration on your personal opinion rather than the actual article, the section contains sources with both points of view. TylerBurden (talk) 16:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see sources are pretty solid in characterizing these developments as "Sham trials". I'll add another one - Trials of Ukrainian Prisoners of War in Russia: Decay of the Combatant’s Immunity (justsecurity.org) . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I agree that it's not a fair trial. However calling it like this in the section title is not encyclopedic. Most of the sources do not use this term [2], [3], [4], [5]. Alaexis_¿question? 20:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are short news. More in-depth analyses like those above and from HRW do note that trials are a joke off justice:
A sham trial Russia has put Ukrainian prisoners of war connected with the Azov Brigade on trial for terrorism — Meduza
Ukraine: Russian sham trials of prisoners of war in Mariupol ‘illegal and unacceptable’ - Amnesty International
Russian sham trial threatens 33 UA soldiers with almost 30 years in prison / The New Voice of Ukraine (nv.ua) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of the fact that the US Congress banned funds to Ukraine over Azov (https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis) and the ADL's assessement in 2019 (https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-beyond-borders-internationalization-white-supremacy). This article is a post-2022 whitewashing propaganda piece. 167.142.48.84 (talk)

"In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connection" Slatersteven (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IN fact we have a whole section on the allegations. Slatersteven (talk) 10:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably this should be under allegations of antisemitism. The article puts the allegations all over the place to make the pre-2022 allegations less definitive then they are. 167.142.48.84 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the statement "In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections." is under "International arms and training controversies" 167.142.48.84 (talk) 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

shouldn't we include a note that they are/were a neo nazi group? [6]https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/the-azov-battalion-the-neo-nazis-of-ukraine/article65239935.ece[7]https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ BarakHussan (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try reading through the talk page archives if you really think this is the first time someone asks this, or better yet, read the article itself which contains 137 instances of the word "Nazi". TylerBurden (talk) 21:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]