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Boomtown 2019 was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 12 September 2021 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Boomtown (festival). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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On 21 July 2021, it was proposed that this article be movedtoBoomtown (A Living Theatre). The result of the discussion was not moved.

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It seems to make sense to me, given the 10-year history of the festival and the fact that every other festival of this caliber has its own, that there should be a separate line-ups page split from this main article. However, the submission keeps getting repeatedly declined for vague reasons, with the latest recommending some debate on whether or not it is necessary.

To further hammer home this point, I've only started to include the known 2020 line-up and the 2019 in as much detail as I can - and this is already huge and sprawling. I don't see anyway for this to be integrated into this main article without causing unnecessary bloat and making the whole thing a pain to read.

Any discussion on this is very much welcome.

Orangeisacop (talk) 21:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a clear consensus that the common name is simply Boomtown. A move to Boomtown (festival) could be considered in a new RM. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 14:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boomtown (music festival) → Boomtown (A Living Theatre) – more accurate information 217.38.159.220 (talk) 14:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Tol | talk | contribs 15:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose as the disambiguator is supposed to disambiguate. Boomtown is a music festival; it's not a "living theatre" (which sounds fairly promotional, too). Tol | talk | contribs 15:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per above, no sources cited for proposed name. 162 etc. (talk) 23:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• From P.phythian, the proposer - on the official web page the event has a complete theatrical story line that began from year 1 - it even refers itself as a living theatre, it's a theatrical experience and the music is not the unique selling point of the festival, the theatre is what makes it different and always has done. Music festival is not a clear representation of what it actually is, here is a link to confirm: boomtownfair.co.uk/experience/story/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pphythian (talk • contribs) 10:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose the proposed name is not a commonly recognisable name. Monxton (talk) 20:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• support: the name isn't common because it's a unique event - it's an immersive experience. not a music festival, the company officially goes by this description so it should be represented correctly on wiki— Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.38.159.220 (talk) 09:02, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please review WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME. (Also please sign your posts.) I have no insight into how people within the Boomtown company see this, but I am certain that I have never heard a member of the public refer to the festival as "Boomtown (A Living Theatre)". As for it being the official company name, that is well documented in the article and at Companies House as "Boomtown Festival UK Limited", which is obviously not an appropriate title for the article.

The festival and the article were both formerly "Boomtown Fair", and that name is well-known to the public, has most of the inbound links in WP, is the official URL boomtownfair.co.uk, and required no WP disambiguation, but we are here.

I'm guessing that there is some rebranding going on here, and that the two supporters so far, neither of whom has any previous WP edit history, are in some way related to the Boomtown company. If the new strapline becomes established then it may be appropriate to change the title of the encyclopaedia article in the future. But I think readers would still expect the festival to be listed in {{Major British Music Festivals}} and List of music festivals in the United Kingdom, would they not? Monxton (talk) 13:30, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• support -

Hi P.phythian here - I have been commenting above too, apologies as I missed this off on my previous comment. I do work for Boomtown, it is not a rebranding that we are doing, we are trying to clarify that we not only provide music but our unique selling point is that we are an immersive theatrical experience and this is how are company is identified. If you take a deeper look at our images and read the bio I have sent previously which states we are 'a living theatre', then you will see our whole event is a theatrical production consisting of film style sets throughout the site with performers at every corner. https://www.boomtownfair.co.uk/. I can confirm we do provide music but it is not our USP, please update our title as to what we go by as a company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.38.159.220 (talk) 15:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be acceptable (except for this being the fourth name-change for the article in as many years) to change the disambiguator simply to festival, omitting the music qualifier. It's just the promotional strapline that doesn't belong in the title, and would probably trigger yet another name-change for the article next time the company reconsiders its marketing. Monxton (talk) 13:27, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

support from p.phythian: the only other name changes have been grammatical and nothing to do with the category of event it sits within. We don't want to identify as purely a 'music festival', please grant this change as the current one is inaccurate and will not be changed again.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 02:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boomtown (music festival) → Boomtown (festival) – Per WP:CONCISE, and would be more inclusive of the non-music performances at this festival. See previous RM discussion above. Note that User:217.38.159.220/User:Pphythian has disclosed a conflict of interest with this page. 162 etc. (talk) 15:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am not sure where my request has gone but I requested last week that the page name is changed to Boomtown (music & theatre festival). I am an employee of Boomtown and we feel we are misrepresented on wikipedia as we have been a music & theatre festival since day 1. It is reflective in our ticket price and it is represented all over our website and always has done. See here for an example which shows the storyline that coincides with each year of the festival. https://www.boomtownfair.co.uk/experience/story/ Thanks, p.phythian

• Support same reasons as given by 162 etc. above Monxton (talk) 12:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support: I am familiar with this festival, and it's way more than just a music festival... like Glastonbury, there's a lot more going on than just the music stages, so the current title isn't representative. Richard3120 (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.