Victoriaearle is suffering from health issues. This may affect their ability to work on Wikipedia. Consequently, they may not be able to respond to talk-page messages or e-mails in a timely manner. Your patience is greatly appreciated.
Big birthday coming up for Hemingway ... 125th, on July 21 ... so I'm thinking about a TFA rerun. You nominated this at FAC ... any thoughts pro or con? There's basically no uncited text. I see three "clarify" tags and one "request quotation" tag ... nothing major. I don't see any significant fights on the talk page, or evidence of recursive bad behavior in the history. - Dank (push to talk) 06:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HiDank when I saw the message I was afraid you'd scheduled for April! That would have been a stretch ... but ... July might be doable. My sense of the article is that it's degrading and needs work. My problem is twofold: getting anything done is very difficult these days and if I start to dig in there I'll want to really dig in and do a rewrite. Is it feasible to have a few days to evaluate & get back to you? Victoria (tk) 21:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Dank! I'll take a few days to assess and let you know. I can't take credit for the prose - without Yllosubmarine (Maria), Malleus, Ceoil, and a cadre of others it wouldn't be what it is. Those were the days! Victoria (tk) 00:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want my opinion, or even if you dont, and having spent a while comparing versions earlier this afternoon; its fine, in very good shape, and I wouldn't stress or be put off imagine a huge preparation task. More important, am on Dank's side, it would be a fine article to rerun - whatever you might think of Hemingway these days, he was never boring, and having the man on main page very much serves readers, who can draw their own conclusions, m or n dash be dammed :) Ceoil (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Funny! Of course I value yours and Dank's opinons. I think it's doable. It needs tidying but easier done than I thought. Lets go ahead and run it! Victoria (tk) 00:53, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As always the "Influence and legacy" sect is the main problem child re post FAC additions, have done some trimmings and paragraph merging. I think any pre main page prep should focus on keeping this tight and on point. Pop mentions /= literately importance. Ceoil (talk) 01:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for combining the paras; I noticed that paragraph breaks have been added throughout. Yes, it should be tight - that was always the idea. It definitely needs tightening. Luckily because I didn't use citation templates it's easy to see where stuff has been added. I've hacked out some from the legacy section - that section might need an entire rewrite. During PR & FAC we'd agreed to keep some of the stuff but in my mind it invites anything & everything to be added. Victoria (tk) 01:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That aligns with my impression...in prep for another day in the sun, all that is needed is remoal rather than addition, and that is always so much easier. I'm really not seeing that you should re-dig the sources: and scholarship has not developed so much since 2010. The page is a joy to read...so crisp and clear :) I very much don't see a need for worry here, in fact you can be proud. Ceoil (talk) 02:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Hemingway scholarship is endless but it's reiterative; equally there seems to be a reiterative call for post 2010 (or plug the year) sources for FAs. All that said, I don't intend to dig into the sources. It needs snipping which, as you say, is so much easier than adding. I wrote a decent article back then; much better than I could now. Which is chastening, but whatevs. Life is what it is. I need to stop now, but, yes, feel good about this. Thanks for the compliments - they mean a lot. And thanks for the help - as usual. Victoria (tk) 02:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Re post 2010 scholarship; I don't buy it, lith scholarship moves slowly, while exciting new theories are best left settle down before inclusion here (as with Vincent's talk[1]). Also see my and the sainted Rigger's frustrations with one trigger happy editor's comments on talk Talk:Caspar_David_Friedrich#WP:URFA/2020_review. Ceoil (talk) 08:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly! Especially for Wikipedia's purposes. There's nothing new in regard to basic biographic facts/info or basic literary info. Will pick at it later in the week, time permitting. Victoria (tk) 16:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dont really have any other news. As we are sadly no longer spending time in CT, horizons now are the Scottish Islands (I have to see Iona", hen living in London in the 90s Liz used to date a dude from Orkney), and cities in eastern Europe. I work with a few people from Romania; hearing great things about eating out in Cluj and Iași. Trips like that mean we have to drive up to Dublin airport (yuck). But its good to have plans as its better to look forward rather than back. Ceoil (talk) 18:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As it happens I got interested in Iona a few weeks ago after reading about the monks & the abbey in a book set in 7th cent. Northumberland. It took me a while to realize the Old English name Wii (or something like that) meant Iona. Anyway, go there! Seems fascinating. And the others too. Looking forward is always good; traveling is always good, too. Victoria (tk) 20:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Talk page follower comment) - If for some mysterious reason you go to Iona and are motivated to try your hand at golf, be aware that the main hazard is the bull on the 9th hole. Risker (talk) 05:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Risker! That was an almost-spit-my-coffee-onto-the-keyboard funny comment. I have no comeback to it. Hope all is well with you and yours. Victoria (tk) 21:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Risker, feeling a strange mix of being impressed but envious that you've been there....grr. ps, the chances of me visiting a golf course when I vist (fingers crossed) this summer are slightly less than zero. I did play as a teenager, but am far too lazy now in my middle age ;) Ceoil (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would be nice. I suspect there are page watchers lurking, but the page is being swarmed and sometimes it's best not to wade in. Let's let it calm down a bit and see how things go. You can always send out pings too, if you need help. Thanks for setting up the proposed text to workshop. I'm currently wallowing w/ a migraine & have to avoid screen time, but will chime in when I can. Victoria (tk) 20:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did send out some pings on the 7th for FA editors who'd recently edited the page or talk page (recently being any time from December to now), alas only Colin and Firefangledfeathers have shown up so far.
P.s if I could see the screen I'd add a phrase re Willoughby based on Reuters article. Do you want to give a try? I can't format the citation but I think it only needs a few words at the end of the existing Maya Forsteter graph. Victoria (tk) 20:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I'd be happy to whip up a workshop for that and format the citation. Have you a rough idea of the words, or do you want me to come up with those as well? :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 20:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added a suggested phrase w/ the unformated cite (seriously can barely see at the moment). That might work for now. Will try to get back to the talk page but not until the headache lifts - sometimes it takes days :( Victoria (tk) 20:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhh, you added and self-revert it on the article. I was looking for it on the talk page. Yeah I'll write that into a workshop for consensus now.
Maybe it's the frequency illusion but since you wrote that "Fwiw, very view literary scholars have Wikipedia pages...", I keep coming across them. So far there's
Michael S. Reynolds – you indicated that an article was needed and so I got it started
Joseph John Reilly – I started this some time ago as background for another topic and so have revisited the subject to move it along a bit.
The language I used is breathless & flippant. I apologize for that. I'm thrilled to see that Michael Reynolds has a page. Thanks so much for starting it. Victoria (tk) 21:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologise. Wikipedia is a funny old place and so I'm mainly here to share the serendipity. Helen Vendler was interesting and is now on the main page but blink and you'll miss her. Her posting was delayed by the usual ITN rigamarole which tends to work against prolific people like her. Curiously the busywork was done by editors whose main interest is other topics like football and tornadoes while the literary types have passed her by.
Looking at who pushed her down, I find Vincent O'Sullivan. He sounds like "the voice of racing" but turns out to have been the NZ Poet Laureate and so was another distinguished literatus. I'd never heard of him so Wikipedia continues to astonish.
There's an impressive sock drawer there. Combined with the focus on TV shows, albeit not American, and the misuse of sources is certainly suggestive. Could be coincidence, but then again maybe not.
P.s I saw the message on your page & understand completely, given that for years I've been gone more than I'm here. I'm finding plenty to keep me busy, and, honestly, Wikipedia is generally overly stressful. Take care of yourself. Victoria (tk) 21:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do intend to keep up with the bullies, even if I no longer keep up with FAs. I got my watchlist under 600!!! Do you want to add anything to ANI? I can't remember enough to know what to add or where to find it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of ItsLassieTime (I guess it's hidden, so it doesn't render with brackets). Otherwise I'd have to dig more and that situation is too triggering. Plus there's always the issue of beans. Pinging Drmies, who mentioned that insanely long SPI - maybe he's interested in following up. I honestly thought there wasn't much there until I saw all those accounts. Good news re watchlist - that's always helpful. I need to prune mine back again. Victoria (tk) 22:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm curious to know why you suspected ItsLassieTime in particular. BeauSuzanne primarily focuses on Pakistani actors so if ItsLassieTime isn't active on Pakistani BLPs, then the connection to BeauSuzanne doesn't seem plausible. I'm currently examining Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nauman335 though. Regards —Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Victoria said, the focus on TV shows and misuse of sources. And I saw the Susanne/Suzanne (but Victoria knows ILT bettr than I do). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HiSaqib, Drmies, the problem, besides the socking, was this huge CCI investigation. It's been courtesy blanked so I grabbed a diff from right before it was closed. My suggestion is to dig into the Pakistani articles in question, try to find the actual sources, and then figure out what's going on. These issues are always time consuming and never fun. The ILT SPI might give some hints too; but again, beans. Victoria (tk) 19:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Ernest Hemingway, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Shakespeare and Company.
I didn't intend to tell you to go to Conservapedia. What I meant was that we can't write for the US right wing; it's Conservapedia that does that. I should have been clearer, and I apologise wholeheartedly for making you think that.—S MarshallT/C18:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course we can't and that's not at all what I was suggesting, but I'm not very good at communicating these days. The article I mentioned made my jaw drop, but that said, there is a deviation in the term in the US vs. the UK per this NYT article. I can send it on to you if you can't see it. Or quote from it.
Anyway, it's not really important & I should have stayed away until I feel better & less stressed about having to be here to rewrite a big article. Thanks for the note. It means a lot. And thanks for stepping up. That means a lot too. Victoria (tk) 19:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I agree with that NYT article on some of its main points. It's right to say that five years ago, The Guardian tied itself in knots about trans issues; and it's right to say that a relatively high proportion of British feminists are vocally transphobic. I do not agree with it when it says that US "TERFism" (its word, not mine) is a scattered community in its death throes; in fact I think American transphobia is alive and well. I do not agree with it when it suggests British radical feminism is a legacy of our colonial past.
I wasn't able to locate the term "gender-critical" anywhere in the article and I don't see any claim that it's defined differently on the other side of the pond.—S MarshallT/C17:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably a good analysis & thanks for taking the time to read. To explain, I read that NYT article two/three years ago during the first Rowling transgender RfC & was reminded of it when following a longish discussion on our article Gender-critical feminism. And recently I read Lana Whited who says But in June 2020, Rowling’s manifesto led some people to label her as a trans-exclusionary radical feminist (TERF), a term first used in 2008 that has more recently evolved as "gender critical."p. 8 Anway, I'm overthinking & thanks so much for listening. Victoria (tk) 19:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I now have a few Apple books (ebooks) that are good sources (academic publishers, etc.) The electronic pages numbers vary depending on type size and line spacing selected. How do I deal with page numbers in a citation?
The last eight years moved me to select my newest ebook:
God, guns, and sedition : far-right terrorism in America.
Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware
New York, Columbia University Press, 2024
Series: A Council on Foreign Relations book,
Includes bibliographical references and index
My best wishes for you; stress-free and cool summer — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 01:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —[reply]
ps I reach for stress-free; in Atlanta a cool summer is any day with a high below 95 — n —
