The Youtube channel for the Legislative Assembly of Ontario seems to have put most, if not all, of their videos under a compatible Creative Commons license. This includes all question periods and member statements. Just posting this here in case anyone wants to add images to Ontario MPP articles that don't have photos. I've already done a few. Cheers, ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!18:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've just added about 10 more. I'm pretty sure the articles of all current Ontario MPPs now have an image. If not, please lmk. Cheers, ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!01:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following year, in 1771, Jens Haven, his new bride, two other married couples and eight single men founded the first permanent Moravian settlement in Labrador’s north coast. They chose the Inuit gathering area known as Nuneingoak as the site of their new home and named the station “Nain.” Nain was the first Christian mission for the Inuit in Canada.
All of them really since they are all being targeted. The one I am looking at is the one about the gravesites, which... is pretty close to unspeakable, but I noticed tonight that the one about the Kamloops school has also been getting hit really hard. Maybe "less subtly" is the wording I am looking for.Elinruby (talk) 08:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I came back here to point out the history at [1], the example I am most familiar with, but I see you have already found the article. Do not believe claims of consensus. (see history). There is some vile stuff at Kamloops Indian Residential School. I have requested page protection there. Elinruby (talk) 00:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like some anons have axes to grind, talking points to spew, and vandalism to perform, based on a quick check of the Canadian residential schools history.
It's not all anons, is the problem, although a lot of what I see at the Kamloops school page is IPs. I can ask for that page to be protected, and any others that people notice. The guy who ... I don't think I am allowed to describe what he did -- but the guy who just rewrote the gravesites article is currently at AE for doing the same thing at Hunter Biden's laptop so that might take care of that, maybe. I'll do an RfPP for the Kamloops school article right now though.
latest round of attacks was three weeks ago so it doesn't look good. [2] I am going to try anyway based the premise that it is exhausting to rewrite these articles over and over again. But this has been going on since they found those graves in Kamloops. Elinruby (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy:Daniel Case just ec-protected the Kamloops residential school article, but that is far from the only problem in the topic. And there are editors with accounts actively working to add denialism in. In keeping with your feedback I will move the western standard question and the dorchester review question into their own sections, in order to break this into easier-to-grasp pieces. But all of this is about residential school denialism.Elinruby (talk) 04:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy: There is also a link to The Dorchester Review (again!) in the lede of the Kamloops residential school article. It needs to be deprecated imo, at least for this topic, but first it needs to be discussed, so I have added an item about it to the RSN post. RL is calling me. Elinruby (talk) 00:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This talk and the other talk are so convoluted its hard to understand what you're trying to get done. Are you saying Professor Jacques Rouillard is some sort of quack....or you just don't like where the statements comes from as in the publication?Moxy🍁 01:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy: Rouillard is apparently a retired professor of labour movement history. I am saying that there have been repeated and very very persistent efforts to edit denialism into residential school articles. He is frequently cited as is Kenney. I am also saying that there are 3 or 4 sources that repeatedly get cited in these efforts. I am furthermore saying that massive amounts of meticulously cited material is being removed in these articles, at least in the one you were just looking at, to support the narrative that the graves are a hoax or...(insert patronizing remark about Indians here). So the school on Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc land in Kamloops became Kamloops Indian Residential School on the lands of the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation and later in the section Kamloops Indian Residential School. 87 instances of this stuff. Rosanne Casimir is no longer the Kúkpi7 but the Chief. And that's just the MoS part. And on *her* page I just found another statement that there is no proof that these graves contain bodies, misleadingly cited to the Globe and Mail. Since this will probably have to be its own RSN post, help.
Bottom line the logic seems to be that if these First Nations refuse to dig up Grandma, they must not be telling the truth.
And I haven't said this yet, but the people doing worst damage are 1) all saying the same thing and 2) very conversant with wikipedia policies. The removal of all indigenous names that I was agreeing with the IP about on the talk page about is within policy but still results in an overuse of the colonial terms. This is affecting discourse on the subject. The top Google seach result for "kamloops residential school graves" is currently No evidence of ‘mass graves’ or ‘genocide’ in residential schools at one of the sources in question. This is new and in my opinion due to the last "rewrite" of that article. I am not sure what dog the Fraser Institute has in this race, but it definitely does seem to have one and at a minimum more eyes on these articles would be really nice. Think Bucha Massacre. I know you were there; I saw you. This seems like a very similar thing. Elinruby (talk) 02:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe I am wrong and we as a country hallucinated the whole thing. I would be glad to hear that, but I don't actually think it's so Elinruby (talk) 02:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, I assumed you were familiar with the issue. The answer to your question is "too many to list here all over again, please see RSN." Also recent ANI titled "Riposte97: time sink", which extensively discussed sourcing in the residential school topic area Elinruby (talk) 23:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We're going to need a few more eyes on these topics I agree.... We have new enthusiastic.... but learn as you go instead of editors familiar with the topic.Moxy🍁 23:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are going to need a few more editors familiar with our residential school situation to make sure the editor here, although enthusiastic and seeming well intentioned (although others have expressed a different view) is dominating these articles. They are clearly not familiar with Canadian sources or any academic sources on the topic..... although all can contribute the sensitive nature of this topic requires some basic knowledge and understanding of the sources that are reliable. Good example of the the time sink others have been dealing with can be seen at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#2021 Canadian church burnings. I think I should step away for a bit after my less than cordial last response to them see here. Moxy🍁 21:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moxy Yeah it was less than cordial but I am more concerned about the aspersion-laden inappropriate canvassing here. But fine. I will go back to re-adding journal references removed in the recent gutting of the articles. You can go on believing that children did not die of tuberculosis in residential schools as long as you stop interfering with that being restored to the article.Elinruby (talk) 02:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just odd replies all the time with walls of OR " children did not die of tuberculosis in residential schools " is simply out to lunch if you belive anyone would say this. The report says "24 percent of all native residential school students had died of tuberculosis". Moxy🍁 11:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. Since I had previously decided you were a pretty good editor, I assumed you would be familiar with the issue, or if not ask questions. Instead you have decided that I am clearly not familiar with Canadian sources or any academic sources on the topic and without asking me anything about this have chosen to share that conclusion here in an apparent attempt to continue impeding the repair of damage done to these articles by an editor who was topic banned for doing that. "Out to lunch" is not a helpful comment, although it does seem to sum up your attitude quite well. For the record I list a small sample of academic sources here in one of the current RSN threads on the RSN noticeboard that I have repeatedly suggested that you examine. The issue in that particular thread is whether it is ok to say that there even *was* a genocide at residential schools, which up until then it apparently had not been, since I was blocked for a week for saying so. Getting back to the deaths from TB, there are other worse statistics about it, but what you said that I took issue with was People with TB were sent to Indian hospitals..... that is a whole other can of worms with its own graveyards in many cases. Moxy🍁 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC) This was in response to my sarcasm here: I personally don't get why this article keeps getting messed with. But it does. So in keeping with the minimization of the mortality rate, of course there is a cemetery and of course everyone died of TB at the time no matter what anyway.Elinruby (talk) 00:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC) and I replied That may well be so but children also died of untreated tuberculosis and Peter Bryce is the name of the doctor who was fired for reporting that.Elinruby (talk) 03:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC) along with a lengthy sourced excerpt about Bryce, with whom you seemed to be unfamiliar, from the main residential school article.
In any event, the topic was added by someone else to an Arbcom request for clarification about people who are unable to edit in a neutral manner on religious topics. Go team Canada. This is not what I would have wished us all to be wikinotorious for, but there it is. Given the following previous attempt to explain "what is source verification" to you it may even be an appropriate example, although I am currently denying that, more or less out of reflexive patriotism.
Religion was a major part of assimilating Indigenous peoples on both sides of the border.... It's why it's referred to as a cultural genocide.[3] The French wanted to free them from what.... their families? basic info Moxy🍁 23:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
I replied:
That reaction is why I explicitly said I'm not saying I necessarily believe that but that is what the source says. What the source does however say is: The first residential facilities were developed in New France by Catholic missionaries to provide care and schooling. Please remember that we are talking about what the source says not what I personally believe, which is that schools were a rather cynical tactic whose goal was assimilation and were gleefully perpetuated when the system proved lethal. You seem to think I want to deny that there was anything wrong with the schools, which is far from the case, and makes it hard to discuss things with you. So let's start over. I actually believe that "cultural genocide" is a euphemism in the Canadian context. Please stop trying to convince me of the genocidal intent. I am already there, and it's annoying...
In any event, I am here to get diffs, not argue with you, but since I am here, this is notification that the matter is now at Arbcom, under a request for a clarification of the Noleander decision, and your name is about to be mentioned. Elinruby (talk) 22:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OKMoxy. If you do not want to read, please stop interfering with the in-progress remediation of misrepresented sources and allow those who are willing to read the sources to fix the problem. If you do not understand what is going on that is one thing. If you refuse to deal with the actual sources because they are TL;DR, there really is nothing else to say. Further disruption will be dealt with as such. If anyone else would like to help with the situation, there is a lot of checking that needs to be done and I will be delighted to get some help. Over and out Elinruby (talk) 03:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
McLaughlin Planetarium has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an RfC regarding the reliability of National Post as a source for facts
According to the Government of Canada's Styles of address webpage, it specifically states that no politician in Quebec uses the honorific "Honourable", as it is only and used solely by the incumbent and previous lieutenant governors of Quebec (or any member of the King's Privy Council). Any change to reflect this would impact the Premier of Quebec, Deputy Premier of Quebec, all Quebec cabinet ministers, etc. past and current. Should the honorific be removed from the relevant articles to reflect this? I'd also note that the webpage also states that no mayor in Quebec uses the honorific His/Her Worship as well. – Handoto (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
