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I am requesting a discussion on the usage of honorific suffixes for Malaysian biographical articles. The abundance of state titles issued to numerous personnel have inflated their titles to a (sometimes) ridiculous extent, especially when demonstrated in the subject article's infobox. An example would be those of Muhyiddin Yassin, Tunku Abdul Rahman, and Mahathir Mohamad, where their state titles have essentially covered a significant portion of the upper section of the infobox. This is made worse when if we equate state titles as those worthy of inclusion, then it will present the article's number of honours as unrealistic compared those of other national leaders where their honours are equal, or if not more than the Malaysian subject articles themselves.
I propose that:
The removal of all state titles in the infobox; retaining federal titles only (eg. PSM, KMN, SMN, MP, etc.);
Inclusion of a new section, namely Awards and honours, to list all their titles comprehensively.
Calling to attention on the apparently rampant addition of Tamil (and to a lesser extent, Chinese) transliterations in articles apart from geographic places by certain editors, such as [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6].
For geographic places, scripts in Jawi, Chinese and Tamil are understandably added due to cultural diversity. But in the above examples, Tamil transliterations are added for articles on local governments and transport infrastructure, when according to MOS:PLACE, "names in languages with no particular present-day or historical ties to the place in question (English excepted, of course) should not be listed as alternatives". That is not even going into the fact that the rest of the articles on Malaysia's government structure (state and local governments) have no such transliterations that clutter the infobox and making readability that much harder (MOS:LEADLANG has another example of lengthy names in foreign languages that impair readability).
Hope to find clarification here on the MOS for Malaysian articles, if transliterations in languages other than Malay (the official language) is permitted outside the scopes of certain geographic locations and biographies. hundenvonPG (talk) 10:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As noted we don't include the translations/transliterations for state and local governments (including Chinese, Tamil, and Jawi scripts), because they lack any official status. This should generally apply as a default to articles relating to Malaysia, unless there is a specific reason to add a particular translation/transliteration(s) on a case-by-case basis due to particular relevance. CMD (talk) 12:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noted on this, Chipmunkdavis. The editor in question not only refused to engage in the discussion that I started on his talk page, but also restored said edits.
Reviving dormant discussion & tagging said user to explain why is Tamil relevant in articles about infrastructure, and why other similar infrastructure articles for the rest of Malaysia don't include Tamil? Are some industrial zones, seaports or train lines only used by the Tamils (and/or Chinese) that they gain special relevance, as per above?
To CMD, the reason for the courtesy ping is because this isn't the first time this issue has cropped up, involving the very same editor, no less. hundenvonPG (talk) 07:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I need guidance on Malacca talk page requested move (Talk:Malacca), if I have done it correctly. I have presented my findings accordingly.
I also want to inform that user @Hzh has been vocal in opposing, which is acceptable; but calling my rational as a lie makes me feel that this is no longer a healthy discussion and it's a borderline personal harassment. Instead of guiding and discussing, he barked around and citing WP pages and repeating things again and again, and there is no civility here. He as an experienced and wiser editor should approach this matter in more civilised manner.
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