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byTWiTfan ( 2887093 ) writes:
I kind of envy having a government so willing to go to bat for its native industry that it's willing to go as far as to steal IP for them. In my country, the government is more than happy to sit back and watch all its industries outsource and lay off everyone, and nationalism is regarded as a bad word. China, if nothing else, believes in China.
byAmiMoJo ( 196126 ) * writes:
What makes you think the US isn't doing the same? There have been complaints from European companies for decades that the US was spying on them, and it is safe to assume that anything worth stealing that China develops would be a target as well.
There was an article today about how China is well ahead of the US in renewable energy. China is deploying a deep water thermal differential power plant, the largest of its kind. China has faster trains than anything in the US, even if the signalling system isn't so good... You can bet your bottom dollar that the US government is keeping a close eye on these developments.
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bycayenne8 ( 626475 ) writes:
The difference is, in countries like China (and I think #2 is actually Israel, or at least they used to be WAY up there in espionage in the US)...it is state sponsored.
In the US, it is largely left up to the private industry. Any US spying, stays mostly in govt hands, things learned by the US govt isn't given freely to US industries.
The opposite is true in these other countries.
bys.petry ( 762400 ) writes:
The difference is, in countries like China (and I think #2 is actually Israel, or at least they used to be WAY up there in espionage in the US)...it is state sponsored.
In the US, it is largely left up to the private industry. Any US spying, stays mostly in govt hands, things learned by the US govt isn't given freely to US industries.
Pure speculation, and not even "good" speculation. The fact is, you know very little about what the US Government does with it's data. The reason for this is that nearly all of the spying we do is classified as State secrets. I'd bet you a dozen donuts that the US does way more spying than China. Maybe not domestically, but our foreign espionage would dwarf China.
The difference is really, that you are told that China is full of bad guys. You are told that the US is full of heroes saving the world from
bygtall ( 79522 ) writes:
Your whole reply was pure speculation, unless the government has been giving you the memos, stop reading Mother Jones. You whole argument is that (1) you don't know what the government is doing, (2) therefore it is lying to you. Brilliant, Einstein.
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bys.petry ( 762400 ) writes:
I never claimed the Government was lying, I said that it's a fact our Government spies on people and we have no facts due to classifications for nearly every aspect of our espionage. Therefor, mister lack of basic English reading and comprehension skills, I did not speculate.
Me pointing out facts without the propaganda you normally get does not make my facts incorrect. It makes you look like an imbecile.
You believethat the US spying is all for the greater good. I make no such assumption. I never assumed
bys.petry ( 762400 ) writes:
I really wish people with mod points would read the guidelines. It would save me from reporting it.
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byk6mfw ( 1182893 ) writes:
What makes you think the US isn't doing the same? There have been complaints from European companies for decades that the US was spying on them...
heh, I was talking with someone, Japanese-American, and she remembered way back when the Germans complained, "US takes our first-class scientists, Soviets take our second-class scientists, and we're stuck with third-class scientists!"
bySolandri ( 704621 ) writes:
The difference is that from what I've seen of Asian corporate culture (I worked there for a couple years), it is not taboo to steal IP from competitors. In fact it's more or less considered normal albeit unspoken. It's not unusual for an employee who refuses to do it to be let go for other unspecified reasons.
You've seen the stories over and over. Like how the Chinese government required Siemens to contract with Chinese companies to manufacture high speed trains, then once the companies had "acquired" enough technical knowledge to do it themselves they dumped Siemens. It makes me facepalm every time I read about some naive Western tech company eager to do business in China bending over backwards to please the Chinese government, like lambs to the slaughter, thinking that a few pieces of paper promising their IP is safe will protect them.
In the late 20th century, this behavior was pretty much localized to the region. But now with the Internet, the behavior can reach around the globe. Those of you who think Western companies are the epitome of evil are in for a rude shock, once you see the no-holds-barred style of capitalism practiced in the East.
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