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byMachineShedFred ( 621896 ) writes:
So what happened to states' rights? Good enough to be able to ban abortions, but not good enough to ban polluting cars, apparently.
More rank hypocrisy from the Republican Party.
bydbialac ( 320955 ) writes:
Smog won't ever entirely go away in California. Some of it is a natural phenomenon caused by air pollution from over the Pacific building up on the mountains. There is talk of smog going back to pre-European days.
byTeun ( 17872 ) writes:
Even if so, why would one not try to limit man made smog?
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
Because electric cars don't eliminate or even reduce smog. Most of that smog you see is tire particulate. We've been running zero emissions cars from most vehicles for a while now. We do have a problem with idling semi trucks but they mostly do that outside city limits. Most of the smog you're seeing is coming from little bits of tire.
It's one of those things where scientists wondered for years were tires went because they aren't on the roads and it turns out the answer is in your lungs.
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byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
Because electric cars don't eliminate or even reduce smog.
Yes, they do.
Most of that smog you see is tire particulate.
No, it's not.
It is true that most particulate emissions from cars is tire and break particulates. However, the nasty shit you see as photochemical smog are nitrogen oxides and various VOCs.
EVs will not increase smog. Nor will they eliminate it entirely. They will reduce it.
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byAmiMoJo ( 196126 ) writes:
EVs do reduce brake dust though. People have reported 100k miles on the original pads, thanks to mostly using regen instead of friction brakes.
byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
EVs do reduce brake dust though. People have reported 100k miles on the original pads, thanks to mostly using regen instead of friction brakes.
A fair point.
byrsilvergun ( 571051 ) writes:
Meaning there's a thousand times more tire particulate in the air than there is the stuff you can see with your eyes.
Remember I mentioned that we didn't use to know where tires would go when they wore down. That's because we couldn't see the tire particulate in the air we breathe. It's too small for us to see.
Yeah we do still have some visible smog problems in a lot of cities but to be honest the problem of tire particulate is literally a thousand times worse..
And it would be naive to believe t
byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
I'm not at all arguing that tire particulates aren't bad or whatever it is that you envision in your head.
It is, however, a fact that photochemical smog is not particulates.
It's NO2 and VOCs.
You seem to think that cars don't emit these things anymore- but they absolutely do.
Much, much less than they used to- for sure, but there are also 3 times as many cars on the road as there were when catalytic converters became standard.
Cleaning up fossil fuel burning cars isn't a game one can win, because growth w
bydbialac ( 320955 ) writes:
Because electric cars don't eliminate or even reduce smog.
Yes, they do.
No, they don't. They just displace pollution to other places, like the mines that have the rare earth elements for solar panels and batteries and power plants which are already located elsewhere.
byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
No, they don't. They just displace pollution to other places, like the mines that have the rare earth elements for solar panels and batteries and power plants which are already located elsewhere.
Incorrect.
All vehicles must be manufactured. The materials for all vehicles must be mined.
However, EVs do not require highly inefficient Otto Cycle engines to convert that chemical energy into kinetic energy.
It will always be less polluting per kWh of vehicle power to convert that chemical energy in a highly efficient dual stage turbine plant, than the shitty internal combustion engine in your car.
Ultimately, you didn't even warrant this response- because you specifically replied to a post about smog.
bydbialac ( 320955 ) writes:
Ultimately, you didn't even warrant this response- because you specifically replied to a post about smog.
(一)Smog:
(二)Fog that has become mixed and polluted with smoke.
(三)A form of air pollution produced by the photochemical reaction of sunlight with hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides that have been released into the atmosphere
(四)A noxious mixture of particulates and gases that is the result of urban air pollution.
Given that it typically takes 5 years of use before a BEV equalizes the emissions of a typical ICE car, and even longer for a hybrid (depending on the design, that can be never!), we're back to my point: BEVs
byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
Fog that has become mixed and polluted with smoke.
That one is dubious. I've never heard anyone mistake a temperature inversion with smog.
A form of air pollution produced by the photochemical reaction of sunlight with hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides that have been released into the atmosphere
Indeed. Something that is uniquely cased by tailpipe emissions.
A noxious mixture of particulates and gases that is the result of urban air pollution.
Indeed. Again- something uniquely created by tailpipe emissions.
It's not something that can be displaced.
Given that it typically takes 5 years of use before a BEV equalizes the emissions of a typical ICE car
15-20k miles, actually. About 1 year.
re back to my point: BEVs just displace the pollution ("smog") from a car to somewhere else.
By your own, literal fucking admission, not as long as you drive it long enough to break even. At that point, you are reducing them, and that's fucking undeniable.
bydbialac ( 320955 ) writes:
Fog that has become mixed and polluted with smoke.
That one is dubious. I've never heard anyone mistake a temperature inversion with smog.
I don't know what country you're in (you use KM, not miles), but that came out of the The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition, so that wasn't my call.
Given that it typically takes 5 years of use before a BEV equalizes the emissions of a typical ICE car
15-20k miles, actually. About 1 year.
I guess if you take a small car and stack up everything against a massive SUV, including your power source, you can get there. Again, though, you can't touch what a hybrid can do if built properly, and that's where the market is going these days. And that's fucking undeniable.
re back to my point: BEVs just displace the pollution ("smog") from a car to somewhere else.
By your own, literal fucking admission, not as long as you drive it long enough to break even. At that point, you are reducing them, and that's undeniable.
And then you have to replace the battery, and you've l
byDamnOregonian ( 963763 ) writes:
I guess if you take a small car and stack up everything against a massive SUV, including your power source, you can get there. Again, though, you can't touch what a hybrid can do if built properly, and that's where the market is going these days. And that's fucking undeniable.
Incorrect. That's average to average.
As for the "hybrid" side- there are cases where a hybrid is the better choice. But they're a minority of them.
For average use, an EV is still cleaner.
And then you have to replace the battery, and you've largely reset everything.
Flatly untrue.
You're lying to try to make a point.
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